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Old 01-23-2009, 08:48 AM  
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Odds are Herm still employed after today...
Seeing as Jack Hary says it was Shanahan, Mort said Herm would be gone by today, Collinsworth said it was Haley and Schefter said we had not spoke with Shanahan, Ari's realtor said it was Cowher and the latest Gailey story, I'd say....

Herm will still be here after today, contrary to all of the above. Hopefully Pioli will make me eat my words but all I have seen is all the "experts" don't have a ****ing clue.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:00 AM   #31
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I was listening to the local radio here in Omaha, (which is terrible btw) but they were saying it was just a matter of time and that Pioli was keeping Herm on staff as an emergency backup in case he doesn't get who he wants this year.

Not that I want Herm around or have any sympathy towards the guy but seriously, in all fairness, either let the guy go so he can get a new job or announce that he will be the h.c. next year. It's not right to string him along.
Yea, that is pretty shitty. If you aren't going to keep Herm cause you want Herm then fire him and let him go find some work elsewhere.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:05 AM   #32
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Let's look at some facts. I know facts don't play well on the board, but let's just try it for fun.

1. The Chiefs owe Herm 4 Million in '09.
2. A new HC will run you 2 to 4 Million in '09.
3. Everyone seems to think that Scott knows what he is doing as a GM.
4. Scott has Herm and his assistant coaches under contract.
5. Scott will not make a change JUST to make a change. HE will hire a guy he wants.
6. Why would Scott spend 6 to 8 million (Herm's money + the new guy's money) on the HC position next season for a guy he really didn't want? You will also have to figure in the expense of two coaching staffs (guy's under contract + new staff).

Conclusion: Don't fire the guy you have to pay anyway until you are sure (with signed contract) you have the guy you want. That is the way all good business are run.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:07 AM   #33
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Let's look at some facts. I know facts don't play well on the board, but let's just try it for fun.

1. The Chiefs owe Herm 4 Million in '09.
2. A new HC will run you 2 to 4 Million in '09.
3. Everyone seems to think that Scott knows what he is doing as a GM.
4. Scott has Herm and his assistant coaches under contract.
5. Scott will not make a change JUST to make a change. HE will hire a guy he wants.
6. Why would Scott spend 6 to 8 million (Herm's money + the new guy's money) on the HC position next season for a guy he really didn't want? You will also have to figure in the expense of two coaching staffs (guy's under contract + new staff).

Conclusion: Don't fire the guy you have to pay anyway until you are sure (with signed contract) you have the guy you want. That is the way all good business are run.
You will lose more money in revenue if Herm is here, or pay both staffs and having a full stadium and parking lot...


Herm will cost the team more than just a salary next year...

Its not rocket science...
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:07 AM   #34
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Let's look at some facts. I know facts don't play well on the board, but let's just try it for fun.

1. The Chiefs owe Herm 4 Million in '09.
2. A new HC will run you 2 to 4 Million in '09.
3. Everyone seems to think that Scott knows what he is doing as a GM.
4. Scott has Herm and his assistant coaches under contract.
5. Scott will not make a change JUST to make a change. HE will hire a guy he wants.
6. Why would Scott spend 6 to 8 million (Herm's money + the new guy's money) on the HC position next season for a guy he really didn't want? You will also have to figure in the expense of two coaching staffs (guy's under contract + new staff).

Conclusion: Don't fire the guy you have to pay anyway until you are sure (with signed contract) you have the guy you want. That is the way all good business are run.
Then he needs to come out and say Herm is the man. It is that simple.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:26 AM   #35
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You will lose more money in revenue if Herm is here, or pay both staffs and having a full stadium and parking lot...


Herm will cost the team more than just a salary next year...

Its not rocket science...
Hey, I'm not saying keep Herm. I'm just saying get the guy you want first...then fire Herm. Otherwise you are the Raiders. Fire a guy a then hire whoever is still available and is willing to coach your team.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:26 AM   #36
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I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

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Why? Why is coaching the last year of your contract with no extension in place yet considered to be "lame duck"? Who made that up?

Why is everyone so convinced that a coach won't play out the last year of his contract? That makes very little sense to me. This idea has been thrown around for a bit now, and it seems like everyone is taking this idea as accepted truth. But I don't see it that way. I don't see that it's so crazy for a coach to continue in the last year of his contract without everyone around him running for the hills. That's silly. It's not a requirement that you have to have an extension in place before you coach the last year of your current contract. Especially if you're a coach that has only won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.

Everyone has seemed to accept that he'll either be fired or get an extension. Either or. But I don't think that's the only possible outcome at all...
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:29 AM   #37
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If Herm stays on board as the HC is anyone on here going to buy the address of:

www.firescottpioli.com

???????????????

Seems that is the feeling from some on here.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:29 AM   #38
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Then he needs to come out and say Herm is the man. It is that simple.
I never said Herm is the guy or that Scott wants Herm to be the guy, but Herm is the guy until you are assured you have the guy you want.

Good leaders do it on their terms not someone else's.
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Why? Why is coaching the last year of your contract with no extension in place yet considered to be "lame duck"? Who made that up?

Why is everyone so convinced that a coach won't play out the last year of his contract? That makes very little sense to me. This idea has been thrown around for a bit now, and it seems like everyone is taking this idea as accepted truth. But I don't see it that way. I don't see that it's so crazy for a coach to continue in the last year of his contract without everyone around him running for the hills. That's silly. It's not a requirement that you have to have an extension in place before you coach the last year of your current contract. Especially if you're a coach that has only won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.

Everyone has seemed to accept that he'll either be fired or get an extension. Either or. But I don't think that's the only possible outcome at all...
And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.
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I never said Herm is the guy or that Scott wants Herm to be the guy, but Herm is the guy until you are assured you have the guy you want.

Good leaders do it on their terms not someone else's.
Yea, we get that. Doesn't mean it isn't bullshit and doesn't mean it won't send a message to the team that Herm really doesn't have Piloi's confidence, now does it?
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And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.
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Has Pioli packed his bags for his Aruba vacation yet? Or will that come during the first week of free agency like Carl used to do?
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:39 AM   #44
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Yea, we get that. Doesn't mean it isn't bullshit and doesn't mean it won't send a message to the team that Herm really doesn't have Piloi's confidence, now does it?
What would you rather have Scott do? (A).Say "Herm is my guy" then fire him two weeks later or (B). Fire Herm then sign another second rate coach because you couldn't get the guy you wanted.

Keeping all employees on their toes and not showing your hand is the way all large companies work when upper management changes.
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I think Herm and a lot of guys will be gone today. Scouts and personnel guys should be back from Mobile and hand in their reports, etc.
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