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Old 01-08-2010, 01:02 PM  
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Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs
Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.


On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

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Old 01-08-2010, 01:34 PM   #31
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But all we have to do is provide Cassel with the 2003 Chiefs OLine, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Chris Carter, and bring back Gonzalez, and we're ****ing SB bound!

It's a process.....
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Player Team DYAR YAR DVOA VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
T.Jackson MIN 111 132 80.2% 97.7% 21 201 249 1 0 0 0 66.7%
B.Croyle KC 80 41 20.3% 5.3% 43 212 323 2 1 0 0 57.5%
D.Carr NYG 72 84 23.8% 29.5% 35 213 265 1 1 0 0 65.6%
B.Volek SD 72 83 22.2% 27.0% 32 230 272 1 0 0 1 64.5%
C.Pennington MIA 23 55 -6.6% -0.1% 78 383 436 1 1 1 1 70.8%
M.Vick PHI 6 13 -4.7% 3.0% 13 86 82 1 0 0 0 46.2%
B.Hoyer NE 6 7 -7.9% -7.2% 29 124 146 0 0 0 0 70.4%
M.Leinart ARI 4 25 -10.4% -6.1% 80 445 401 0 0 0 3 66.2%
D.Dixon PIT -5 -29 -14.7% -30.2% 26 145 114 1 0 0 1 46.2%
M.Flynn GB -31 -26 -46.0% -39.8% 14 88 29 0 0 0 1 58.3%
Player Team DYAR YAR DVOA VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
K.Clemens NYJ -38 -48 -33.8% -39.8% 29 105 83 0 1 0 0 52.0%
M.Brunell NO -67 -109 -46.3% -68.3% 31 93 62 0 0 0 1 50.0%
J.T.O'Sullivan CIN -77 -102 -143.9% -186.7% 14 9 -58 0 0 2 0 40.0%
C.Frye OAK -78 -55 -23.1% -19.6% 94 550 418 1 0 0 4 62.4%
T.Collins WAS -79 -63 -71.5% -59.6% 26 123 -2 0 2 0 0 52.2%
B.Brohm BUF -83 -42 -51.2% -31.5% 31 138 54 0 0 0 2 58.6%
C.Painter IND -133 -192 -78.9% -109.5% 31 67 -23 0 0 1 2 28.6%
C.Simms DEN -171 -159 -154.0% -144.2% 22 -16 -135 0 0 1 1 29.4%
D.Stanton DET -242 -295 -74.8% -88.6% 57 236 -23 0 0 1 6 51.0%
but Brodie Croyle sucks
Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:00 PM   #33
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Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...
R2P2, period
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This list is clearly flawed because Mark Sanchez is the greatest QB to ever put on pads and throw a football.
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B.Leftwich TB 112 24 12 27 4.8% 22 -9.5% 112 601 709 4 2 0 3 54.2%
B.Gradkowski OAK 79 25 15 26 -3.6% 25 -9.7% 162 937 949 6 2 3 3 55.8%
S.Wallace SEA 0 26 -3 28 -11.1% 26 -11.4% 134 614 664 3 3 2 2 65.5%
D.Culpepper DET -30 27 -72 30 -13.9% 27 -17.8% 173 831 831 3 3 0 6 57.8%
A.Smith SF -80 28 98 24 -14.4% 28 -7.2% 395 2,300 1,894 18 1 1 12 60.6%
K.Collins TEN -81 29 -76 31 -16.9% 29 -16.5% 224 1,178 1,026 6 1 2 8 55.1%
M.Bulger STL -134 30 34 25 -19.1% 31 -9.1% 262 1,397 1,173 5 2 1 6 57.1%
B.Quinn CLE -148 31 -153 33 -19.5% 32 -19.7% 276 1,270 1,236 8 1 2 6 53.1%
T.Edwards BUF -167 32 -139 32 -24.6% 37 -22.3% 207 1,019 771 6 1 0 6 60.4%
Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
R.Fitzpatrick BUF -177 33 -243 36 -22.7% 35 -27.0% 248 1,299 997 9 1 2 9 56.2%
J.Delhomme CAR -198 34 -319 40 -20.2% 33 -25.8% 341 1,829 1,482 8 3 3 18 56.3%
S.Hill SF -210 35 -69 29 -31.3% 40 -17.8% 177 877 553 5 2 1 2 56.9%
J.Johnson TB -227 36 -301 39 -38.6% 43 -47.5% 139 675 347 4 5 0 7 50.4%
J.Cutler CHI -227 37 -161 35 -17.1% 30 -15.4% 593 3,545 2,753 27 7 1 26 61.2%
M.Sanchez NYJ -287 38 -278 37 -22.8% 36 -22.4% 391 2,307 1,598 12 6 3 20 54.4%
J.Freeman TB -294 39 -410 43 -26.1% 39 -32.0% 313 1,756 1,182 10 7 2 17 55.2%
K.Boller STL -305 40 -283 38 -35.6% 42 -33.9% 193 789 588 3 0 1 6 56.0%
M.Hasselbeck SEA -339 41 -156 34 -21.1% 34 -15.7% 529 2,886 2,292 17 8 2 16 60.2%
D.Anderson CLE -361 42 -444 45 -40.4% 44 -47.1% 196 856 502 3 2 3 10 44.8%
K.Null STL -394 43 -405 42 -59.1% 46 -60.4% 134 480 126 3 1 1 8 61.3%
M.Cassel KC -463 44 -433 44 -24.7% 38 -23.8% 550 2,727 2,116 16 9 3 15 55.8%
M.Stafford DET -531 45 -380 41 -31.9% 41 -26.0% 398 2,190 1,343 13 3 1 20 54.5%
J.Russell OAK -755 46 -795 46 -57.2% 45 -59.7% 280 1,122 294 3 3 6 10 49.0%
So what youre saying is.... Cassels not the answer?
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Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.
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HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME!!!!!

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Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.
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LO! The fourth horseman of the apocalypse has appeared, on his great and terrible stallion! Shrink from the horror of the past-his-prime stop-gap passer....he is Hamas, horseman of the future Hall of Fame quarterback who gets his brains turned into mush by Bruce Smith.
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Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.
Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...
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Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...
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Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...
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Regular season totals, through Week 17
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Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.

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* Because his runs primarily come as the quarterback in the Wildcat (a.k.a. Flash) formation, Josh Cribbs' rushing value in 2009 is rated as a quarterback, not as a wide receiver.
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Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...
Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.
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Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.
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