Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Also plenty of NE guys have nice credentials it hasn't stopped nearly all of them from shitting their pants once they left Boston.

When they moved up. No one knew if the guys that left would be good hc's, But this is different because you are asking weiss and crennel to do things they have been successful doing instead of wondering if they can take the "next" step.They are proven at what they do we aren't asking them to do more than what they already shown that they are capable of.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

How do you figure?

To this point Pioli hasn't done anything different than the way Peterson did things. Hire people you know, trade for the safe QB, these are all things people would go nuts on Carl for doing.

The only difference was in his first draft Peterson had the 3rd pick and got Derrick Thomas, Pioli got Tyson Jackson.

Also plenty of NE guys have nice credentials it hasn't stopped nearly all of them from shitting their pants once they left Boston.

you're a full blown rah-tard. How in the **** do you equate trading for cassell the safe qb. Peterson traded for a 1/8 left in the tank montana. Pioli traded for a familiar player that he saw potential in and not 2 years from retirement.



I also find it quite humorous that you use the basis of a HOF player vs. a rookie playing 2 different positions as the corner stone of your comparison.

Dum, dum, dum.

[Mecca]

3rd pick of the draft vs 3rd pick of the draft simple as that. One guy got an impact player in the top 3, the other didn't.

Sadly 1/8th Montana was better than what we got now.

I don't really have any issues with Charlie Weis, I think Crennel is alright but I don't trust hiring defensive coaches that made their rep off working under Belichick. The major problem comes that I don't think anything can save Matt Cassel, I think Haley until he shows me otherwise is in over his head as a head coach and to this point Pioli's roster moves are uninspiring at best.

[ChiefJustice]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's nice and all but trying to recreate something in another place has never worked...

I dunno....the jury is still out on that one.

[tk13]

I really don't think this is a rah-rah let's relive the 2nd half of 97 season like Gunther was. I'm more confident in Weis and Crennel than that, but we still need talent.

I don't know where the argument went off the rails about recreating history, but there have been tons of coordinators who've had success in different places . Dick LeBeau's defense in Pittsburgh is outstanding. Wade Phillips had solid defenses in 3 or 4 different places. Norv Turner and Mike Martz did a great job when they could focus on being an OC/QB coach. Cam Cameron's had plenty of offensive success. Greg Williams has built one good defense after another. Plenty of examples of guys building a competitive unit in 3 or 4 different places.

I'm more concerned about the front office finding talent than the coordinators doing something with it. But it wouldn't be the first time the Chiefs hired a coach that had some success everywhere but KC. That's been pretty much the last 10 years.

[Mecca]

All I'm saying is I think Weis will do fine and I think Crennel won't live up to expectations.

I'm not saying they are bad hires, I'm saying I don't think you can find any history that would support hiring a GM and 2 coordinators all from the same team because they won something. Not saying it won't but that's where it stands today.

[tk13]

But I do trust Weis more than Crennel. Who knows if this is how it'll go down... but when he was in NE it was Brady and a no-name group of WR's spreading it out and working the intermediate passing game. I think that'd be great for Cassel.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by tk13

But I do trust Weis more than Crennel. Who knows if this is how it'll go down... but when he was in NE it was Brady and a no-name group of WR's spreading it out and working the intermediate passing game. I think that'd be great for Cassel.

And you said what I said...odd how that works eh?

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by ChiefJustice

I dunno....the jury is still out on that one.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by Mecca

And you said what I said...odd how that works eh?

I really don't understand what you want. Is there any pick the Chiefs have made as far as personnel that made you go, "HELL YEAH!!!"?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Mecca

All I'm saying is I think Weis will do fine and I think Crennel won't live up to expectations.

I'm not saying they are bad hires, I'm saying I don't think you can find any history that would support hiring a GM and 2 coordinators all from the same team because they won something. Not saying it won't but that's where it stands today.

Yeah, but I think that's tough because we've never seen anything quite like this. I can't think of another time where two coordinators have been reunited 5 years later like this. Even for the Parcells guys, this is pretty unique.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by TigerPig

I really don't understand what you want. Is there any pick the Chiefs have made as far as personnel that made you go, "HELL YEAH!!!"?

Nope. Chiefs could go 19-0 and set loads of records and he would still find something to bitch about. Instead of taking a wait and see approach he assumes he knows everything and could do it better than the men who do this for a living.

[TigerPig]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah, but I think that's tough because we've never seen anything quite like this. I can't think of another time where two coordinators have been reunited 5 years later like this. Even for the Parcells guys, this is pretty unique.

Here's a question which should maybe shed some insight into this. If New England were looking for another OC or DC, do you think they would look at Weis or Crennel? If so, what differences are there to make one team value them as an OC and DC and not another?

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

He's right, though.

The Chiefs didn't do their due diligence.

Crennel and Weis are riding in on white horses like Gunther.

[SLAG]

here is what I don't get-

we bring in SP - we bring in MC - we bring in MV - we bring in ZT.

and people are in shock - negative or positive - that we are getting patisfied

What the hell ELSE did you think was going to happen?!? - whatever it is - you had to have been kidding yourself.

FTR: you may put me in the camp that the entire organisation has a free pass from me until proven otherwise - and only 1 or 2 years removed from king carl is just not enough time to accurately measure success or failure