My official endorsement for the 11th overall pick.

[saphojunkie]

Interesting points, all. However, I just disagree that Poe's rawness is a drawback. Romeo is a fantastic developer of defensive line talent, and I think Poe's athleticism/size ratio makes him an elite prospect. His rawness can be corrected. If a man his size had polished technique, he'd be a top three pick.

If you can teach him to drop anchor, he will be an absolute wrecking ball in the middle. We had a horrible run defense last year, and it starts at the nose. The problem with the draft this year is that the #11 pick is too low for the players you want and too high for the players you could use.

We may as well completely forget about draft value or positional value, and just take the guy we think has the potential to be the best addition for the next ten years. In that case, for me it's Reiff, Glenn, Decastro, or Poe.

I'm with you on Kuechly. ELITE middle linebacker, but redundant given DJ's skill set.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Interesting points, all. However, I just disagree that Poe's rawness is a drawback. Romeo is a fantastic developer of defensive line talent, and I think Poe's athleticism/size ratio makes him an elite prospect. His rawness can be corrected. If a man his size had polished technique, he'd be a top three pick.

If you can teach him to drop anchor, he will be an absolute wrecking ball in the middle. We had a horrible run defense last year, and it starts at the nose. The problem with the draft this year is that the #11 pick is too low for the players you want and too high for the players you could use.

We may as well completely forget about draft value or positional value, and just take the guy we think has the potential to be the best addition for the next ten years. In that case, for me it's Reiff, Glenn, Decastro, or Poe.

I'm with you on Kuechly. ELITE middle linebacker, but redundant given DJ's skill set.

Sapp called Poe a bowling ball of knives. IMO our biggest position of need on D. You can't tell me that the results he got at the combine didn't come from hard work.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Interesting points, all. However, I just disagree that Poe's rawness is a drawback. Romeo is a fantastic developer of defensive line talent, and I think Poe's athleticism/size ratio makes him an elite prospect. His rawness can be corrected. If a man his size had polished technique, he'd be a top three pick.

If you can teach him to drop anchor, he will be an absolute wrecking ball in the middle. We had a horrible run defense last year, and it starts at the nose. The problem with the draft this year is that the #11 pick is too low for the players you want and too high for the players you could use.

It's not that simple.

Two-gap football isn't just physically taxing, it's psychologically taxing. It's a very tough scheme, but when you play it very well, you've got a top defense.

Crennel's a brilliant developer of talent, but two-gap football is just too tough to start all over from scratch. It's a style of play (occupying blockers, absorbing punishment) that's as much a mindset and a way of life as it is a style of play. Dropping anchor is one thing, craving the opportunity to drop anchor is another thing.

Look at the one nose tackle prospect they drafted: Jerrell Powe. Powe has dedicated his life to this specific style of play. He's so old school when it comes to the nose tackle position he calls it the "nose guard." His career after football? Construction.

Powe may or may not take off, but the Chiefs deliberately drafted him because he was built for this style of play and loves to play it. He's the block of granite type.

From my limited time watching Memphis this year, I don't think that's in Poe's DNA. I think he's a thrasher -- he has never once to occupy a blocker, his assignments his whole career thus far has been to put the guy in front of him on his ass.

I really like Poe. And I do think Crennel could develop him. I just don't think his best upside is in the two-gap 3-4. It's either in the one-gap system or in a 4-3.

It's clear that you only have really one guy from this draft that is built for this system, and it's Alabama's Josh Chapman. He has the highest floor for the position.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by whoman69

The NFL chews and spits out running backs these days. You say that its the biggest position of need for the Chiefs while I see that we just need to replace Jones. I say we can get that sort of production from any number of backs in the 4th round.

A NT in a 3-4 defense can be a dominant player that sets up the whole defense. You're talking about all the negatives for a player that at 346 lbs was an every down player for a team that had absolutely no talent around him. He'll be in a rotation with the Chiefs.

I have no doubts that he'll need to work on his technique to be good enough for the NFL. That's not a unique situation. You can't tell me someone who can as prepared as he did to the combine is not a hard worker. You have a 346 lb DT who runs faster than some LBs and benched 44 times. He's an athletic freak. You can't teach 346 lbs. This defense is a NT away from being Raven's dominant. We ranked 11th last year without Berry, with all the blowout losses and with Kelly Gregg one step from retirement.

Dontari Poe is potentially the most dominant player we can add at our position in the draft.

I agree about the RB thingy. Not so much on Poe though. Not that I've even watched him play. I'm just weary of workout warriors.

[Ultra Peanut]

Trade the #11 pick to Peyton Manning imo

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Trade the #11 pick to Peyton Manning imo

yer dum

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Trade the #11 pick to Peyton Manning imo

I don't even know what that means.

[Ultra Peanut]

nope

[Tribal Warfare]

Actually the more I think about it, I'm starting to believe will the pick if we sign Soliai or not because of Dontari's positional versatility on the D-line.

[O.city]

I put more stock into the overall body of work than the numbers a guy puts up at the combine. Poe didn't do much at Memphis. Yeah he might have had shit around him, but with those measurables why couldn't he just physically manhandle people?

I'm fine with taking him if we can trade down, not at 11 if there are sure fire players still on the board.

[O.city]

Sac, waht RT are we to be taking at that spot?


If Richardson is around, I'd rather take him and grab a RT later. I liked Reynolds alot but haven't heard much about him lately.


Also been hearing alot about Zeitler from Wisconsin.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, waht RT are we to be taking at that spot?


If Richardson is around, I'd rather take him and grab a RT later. I liked Reynolds alot but haven't heard much about him lately.


Also been hearing alot about Zeitler from Wisconsin.

There's no tackle I really like that should be available at 11. I think Reiff and Kalil are gone by that pick and I agree with Direck that Martin is a left tackle versus a right, but who knows. Right tackle is the biggest current hole on the team, but I think a guy like Reynolds will be there in the third.

I also agree that Kuechly is the same player as Johnson. Kuechly is a stud, but I really like Belcher and I hope that Johnson has decided that he'd like to be the guy from 2011 for the rest of his career. They need depth at the ILB positions though.

Picking Richardson is a little like taking Kuechly. We've already got Charles, who is, on any given day, the best running back in the league, so you are taking a part time guy, a guy who is going to split time at 11. That's expensive.

Poe is a huge reach based on his lack of production in college. Same for Brockers (who I like a lot, but with only one year of production, it's a bit of a gamble). And I agree with Direck that Powe is a old school, in the trenches guy that is going to be a solid player at the nose for the Chiefs.

DeCastro is a guard. We've taken two All-American guards (Asamoah and Hudson) the past two drafts. Redundant and silly to draft another one, especially at #11.

We need a center, but it's about 7 to 11 spots too high to take Konz, who I really like but there is a bit of an injury history with him.

You've got elite level talent in Kuechly, DeCastro and Konz. But all three play positions that don't dictate a pick that high and in the case of DeCastro, we already have picked two young and talented guards. (And I think Hudson was a better player at the same stage as DeCastro anyway, and I'd rather take a pure center than try to convert a very good guard to center and draft another guard.)

I really think that the Chiefs make a move in this draft. A big one.

[O.city]

Up or down?



Only reason I would take Richardson is based on Charles injury and injury history. Richardson is a monster who could handle a ton of carries if you need him to. I'm not sure that he woudln't end up being better than Charles.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Up or down?

Up.

I think that they go for Griffin.

Only reason I would take Richardson is based on Charles injury and injury history. Richardson is a monster who could handle a ton of carries if you need him to. I'm not sure that he woudln't end up being better than Charles

It's going to be hard being better than Charles. Like I said, on any given Sunday, Charles is the best back in the league. And Richardson is coming off a knee scope of his own. No running back is completely immune to the injury bug, and because of what they do, they are susceptible to injury moreso than a lot of other positions.

If Charles' knee is okay, the Richardson pick is a bad one. If Charles is not sound medically, it's still a risky pick just based on the position alone.

[O.city]

Better than Charles is kind of a bad use of words.


I think he could be more complete than Charles. I don't think there is a RB duty that he guy can't do at a top level.

If I'm not mistaken, he just had his knee scoped. A knee he hurt earlier in the season but played with it for a little while.

I get the rb stuff, but IMO he's one of the top 4 or 5 talents in the draft. It would be hard to pass that up.