It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by O.city

We do have a shitty situation at qb, but you can't or well shouldn't draft because of that. Build the team so someone can hopefully fall into the qb spot and be surrounded with elite talent.


ALA Stanzi.

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

Yeah, but you can never have too much.


Besides I'm talking about using a 3 or 4 round pick on a guy, not a first. Hell the guy I want is projected to be a 4 or 5 rounder.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

So what, Tannehill? Need is a terrible evaluator.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by aturnis

So what, Tannehill? Need is a terrible evaluator.

a qb over a guard or a 4th WR, in the first round?

yes

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.
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No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

Holy shit...

Focus dude.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

It seems to me that Pioli has shows a tendency to fill offensive needs with veteran free agents and defensive needs through the draft. This says to me that offense is predicated on scheme, which requires guys knowing their job and executing, while the key to great defense starts with athleticism.

How many offensive weapons are there that lack speed, size, strength? Hines Ward, Wes Welker, Priest Holmes, Casey Wiegmann come immediately to mind. But I cannot think of great defenders that aren't tremendous athletes. You rarely hear about that linebacker who is slow and small, but just has a nose for the ball. Those guys get invited to training camp, but not the pro bowl.

I'm with you on Kuechly or Brockers.

[BossChief]

If we are gonna let Bowe walk, we NEED to spend a second or third on Marvin McNutt in the 2012 draft.

Then, when we move on to RS he will have an already built in set of targets he trusts in Moeaki and McNutt.

All in all though, Carr walking is somewhat justified but letting a guy like Bowe walk would be inexcusable unless he is demanding Fitzgerald money and nothing less (which is not the case)

[Coogs]

Here is the WR I am intriged with for a late round pick (we were one of the teams at his pro day too)...

WR Dale Moss has outstanding straight-line speed, but his three-cone time is what will really get NFL scouts' attention (courtesy of KSFY)

A deep third-day NFL draft crop of wide receivers got even deeper on Thursday, as South Dakota State wide receiver Dale Moss put up a set of numbers that might have even topped Stephen Hill's combine performance if Moss had done it in Indianapolis.

The 6'3", 213-pound receiver ran a 4.45 40-yard dash, according to the Yankton Daily Press & Dakotan, and Scout.com's Aaron Wilson reported that some scouts timed Moss as fast as 4.38. Those numbers would be impressive enough, but the YDP&D also gives us these astounding results:

An eye-popping 41.5 inches in the vertical jump, 10-feet-10 in the broad jump, and a 6.32 in the 3-cone drill.

As the article points out, the vertical would have been the second best at any position, and three-cone would have been the best.

The three-cone drill tests lateral agility, which is crucial for wide receivers who want to create separation from defensive backs by having crisp and sudden breaks in their routes. Shorter players usually ace it, and long-limbed receivers like Moss usually struggle a bit because of their body type (which is an advantage when comes time to haul in a pass).

For comparison's sake, the fastest three-cone time at the combine was Florida WR/RB Chris Rainey, who is 5'8" and 180 pounds.

Moss clearly inherited some of the genes that helped his uncle, Johnny Rodgers, win the Heisman Trophy with Nebraska in 1972. Moss was actually a basketball player at SDSU, but he had an extra year of athletic eligibility because he played as a true freshman.

In that one year, Moss caught 61 passes for 949 yards and six touchdowns. Wilson reports that 10 teams were in attendance, but all 32 will be hearing about this performance and thinking about placing a bet on the third day that Moss is the next small-school wonder at wide receiver.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we are gonna let Bowe walk, we NEED to spend a second or third on Marvin McNutt in the 2012 draft.

Then, when we move on to RS he will have an already built in set of targets he trusts in Moeaki and McNutt.

All in all though, Carr walking is somewhat justified but letting a guy like Bowe walk would be inexcusable unless he is demanding Fitzgerald money and nothing less (which is not the case)

You're the one who needs to jump off a building for that suggestion. We all know you are a massive Iowa homer, but how many NFL teams do you know that builds their rosters around back up QBs? McNutt in the 2nd or 3rd? Are you his brother?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by buddha

You're the one who needs to jump off a building for that suggestion. We all know you are a massive Iowa homer, but how many NFL teams do you know that builds their rosters around back up QBs? McNutt in the 2nd or 3rd? Are you his brother?

I'll bet everything I have McNutt doesn't make it out of the third round.

In fact, I bet there is a better chance he goes in the second round than the bottom half of the third round.

My thoughts on McNutt have very little to do with Stanzi.

The kid is gonna be a very dependable clutch player that moves the chains and puts points on the board.

I made it very clear that letting Bowe walk would be a huge mistake, but if we are gonna make that mistake we better at least fill the spot with a good prospect.

I've been talking up MM for three years on here.

[O.city]

If we are going with a late round wr, give my TY Hilton.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we are going with a late round wr, give my TY Hilton.

He is 5-10 175

Check out the numbers on Moss

6-3 213 on top of those numbers. 3 cone drill of 6.32 is reported to be one of the fastest of all time, not just this year.

[the Talking Can]

i'm all for taking a WR or RB in later rounds

[O.city]

Moss is big and fast, I really like that.


I like T.Y though in that he can help the return game as well as be a blazer slot guy.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Okay. I'll bite. After taking a first team All-American guard in 2010 in the third round (Asamoah) and a first team All-American guard in 2011 in the second round (Hudson), you are probably not going out on a limb too much by saying that they are not going to burn a first rounder on yet another first team All-American guard in 2012. And with both Harris and Lilja on the roster, the DeCastro pick is a tad bit redundant, don't you think?

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

Barron has had two relatively important surgeries (torn pec and double hernia) as well as an arrest on his record. He is not what they are looking for after drafting Lewis in 2010 and Berry in 2011, nor what Pioli loves in a prospect.

Brockers is what he loves though.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

I think it was a cursory look and nothing more. You have to make sure that you do your homework on players.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

There is more of a need for an offensive tackle on this team than there is a defensive end. What happens if either Albert or Winston gets injured? Who's the depth at that position? What happens if Albert decides to go the free agent route after next year? At least at defensive end, we have Bailey and Bair. There is no one on the roster behind the starters at offensive tackle.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright...

Not a snowballs chance in hell.

There were rumors that the Chiefs really wanted Nate Solder last year. I think that they take a hard look at the position again.

In my personal opinion, this is what the Chiefs "big board" looks like:

1. Melvin Ingram, LB/DE/DT; South Carolina
- Originally was an ILB for the Gamecocks, but was used at every position along the defensive front seven. His versatility and athleticism is almost unmatched in this draft.

2. Riley Reiff, OT; Iowa
- I'm not completely sold on him, but we've drafted Hawkeye's in both of the past two drafts. Very solid technician who could play four positions on the line.

3. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
- Absolute prototype for the 34 DE spot and perfect nose for the passing downs. SEC.

4. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB; Alabama
- Junior, but three year starter. Long and athletic. Could also play third safety in passing downs that Crennel likes to run.

5. Jon Martin, OT; Stanford
- I like better than Reiff due to his better usable strength and length.