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Old 09-04-2012, 01:12 PM   #1
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I guess I missed the part where the refs are fighting against being full-time refs. What are they doing in that regard?
Most of the refs(if not all) have other jobs

They want to get salaries and pensions like full-time without actually being full-time.

They also want to be paid as much a guys who work 2,3,10 times as many games without working that much.

they don't want the NFL to have a stand-by crew so they can replace shitty refs.
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:35 PM   #2
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Really? What's your definition of a "rich professional"?

Everything I've ever heard says that the NFL referees have to keep their full-time jobs because they don't get paid enough by the NFL to BE full-time officials.

It took less than 30 seconds to find this with Google:

SPORT..........AVERAGE SALARY OF OFFICIALS
NFL..............Between $25K and $70K
MLB..............$141K
NBA..............$128K
NHL..............$139K

It doesn't sound like the referees are the ones at fault here. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business. I think they can afford full-time referees.
Break it down per game.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:54 AM   #3
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Really? What's your definition of a "rich professional"?

Everything I've ever heard says that the NFL referees have to keep their full-time jobs because they don't get paid enough by the NFL to BE full-time officials.

It took less than 30 seconds to find this with Google:

SPORT..........AVERAGE SALARY OF OFFICIALS
NFL..............Between $25K and $70K
MLB..............$141K
NBA..............$128K
NHL..............$139K

It doesn't sound like the referees are the ones at fault here. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business. I think they can afford full-time referees.
I think rich professional was a reference to their non-nfl job.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #4
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I thought I read here much earlier that the people in charge of training the refs got fired and had to turn in there computers because they refused to train the replacements.
Yep.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:51 AM   #5
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You'd think the officials' best strategy would be to wait a bit, but then put pressure on early in the season when the replacements blow some games.

This is all part of the NFL becoming a huge monster though. The NFL signs all these contracts worth billions of dollars, and everyone wants their piece. It's why the owners locked out the players, now the refs are doing this.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:58 AM   #6
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The refs can fist themselves.

Either they want their careers as lawyers and the like, or they want to be officials at the highest level of the most popular sport in America.

Also they need to decide to enforce rules on a consistent basis.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:58 AM   #7
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“This is a battle of right and wrong,” one unnamed official told Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com. “We are willing to wait for as long as it takes.”


No, this is mostly a battle over guaranteed lifetime pension benefits, which is something that all private businesses are moving away from because of the carnage that it costs as people live longer.

Full time NFL employees (front office, players, etc.) don't get this, so why should part time refs get this?

Right, they shouldn't.

I'm going to really, REALLY hate replacement refs, but I don't give a damn about the regular refs if they're sticking to their guns on this (and they are, it's apparently one of the biggest sticking points).
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:38 PM   #8
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I equate this situation to this...same bad idea

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Old 09-04-2012, 12:49 PM   #9
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If the NFL was smart they'd tell the refs to get ****ed and just rebuild the entire system. Make it a full time year round job with training in the offseason. They could lure in whoever they wanted, including top college crews if it was a permanent job.

The existing problem is all the current refs are rich professionals that treat it like a side business.
I agree.

Maybe we just play with replacements all this year, but next year the NFL rolls out a new system where most officiating happens in near real time but through video-assisted officials in the booth.

They need to use more video assistance, but also speed things up when they do.
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #11
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What I have heard is these guys are barely even capable. I heard they tried to get the SEC and other college football refs but they declined. They didn't want to cross the picket lines because some of them want the jobs someday.

They should get paid and get their pensions imo. They can't be replaced imo. I think that someone could get hurt bad this week because of the refs. If they do, Goddell is going to look like a fool after constantly talking safety.

I'm tired of Goddell. It's time for a change. I know Condaleeza Rice wants to be the NFL Commish one day. Maybe it's time?
Seen the profits and the media deals the NFL has? Goodell is going nowhere.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:30 PM   #12
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Really? What's your definition of a "rich professional"?

Everything I've ever heard says that the NFL referees have to keep their full-time jobs because they don't get paid enough by the NFL to BE full-time officials.

It took less than 30 seconds to find this with Google:

SPORT..........AVERAGE SALARY OF OFFICIALS
NFL..............Between $25K and $70K
MLB..............$141K
NBA..............$128K
NHL..............$139K

It doesn't sound like the referees are the ones at fault here. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business. I think they can afford full-time referees.
Rich professionals outside of the NFL. High dollar lawyers, businessmen, etc. The NFL isn't their income, its their hobby.

These are guys that don't need the money or job. They want to leverage their position for a bigger return on the investment.

Replace them with guys that will do this for a living.
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heard somebody on the radio talking about this tonight. He said the NFL is risking injury to players by not keeping the best, most talented officials. He said they are a multi billion dollar corporation fussing over small change and risking a lot. I agree.
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heard somebody on the radio talking about this tonight. He said the NFL is risking injury to players by not keeping the best, most talented officials. He said they are a multi billion dollar corporation fussing over small change and risking a lot. I agree.
I agree, too.

All this safety and quality stuff the league harps on and they completely contradict themselves with the way they're handling this.

I don't care how much officials make, but I do agree with the league that they should be full-time.

If the officials want the extra cash, then they should accept being on full-time or stick to their day jobs.
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