Chiefs New GM Dorsey brings energy, enthusiasm to first training camp with Chiefs - Page 3

**mdchiefsfan** · 07-20-2013, 10:18 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/19...nthusiasm.html

July 19
BY VAHE GREGORIAN
The Kansas City Star

The sheer, sincere energy radiates, almost enough to make you flinch or squint, as John Dorsey walks in the room and introduces himself.

As the new Chiefs general manager prepared to embark Friday for an inspection of the operation at Missouri Western, where the team begins training camp with a trickle Monday and in earnest on Friday, it was hard not to get reeled in by his boyish enthusiasm.

He spoke of the franchise being a “crown jewel” once it’s awakened and vowed he “will not rest” until then. He talked of an organization that is “symmetrically aligned” and of the good people he is working with — “You can feel that around here ” — in the aftermath of a reign of error that he isn’t interested in addressing.

“I don’t live in the past; I live in the present and look forward to the future,” Dorsey said. “I’ll learn from the past, but I won’t live in it. I am who I am.”

And who he is couldn’t contain his anticipation of the home opener against Dallas on Sept. 15.

“Here’s what I can’t wait to hear,” he says, before bellowing out a somewhat disturbing, impossible-to-describe roaring sound. “These fans are unbelievable. I mean, I just want to hear them cranked up.”

Toward that end, here’s what he says fans should look for in the first year of the new regime of Dorsey and head coach Andy Reid.

“Everybody should expect a team that will be very competitive, that will represent the brand of the Kansas City Chiefs and what it stands for,” he said. “You’re going to see a bunch of guys that are excited and competitive and are going to compete their (tails) off for the AFC West — and rightfully so.

“That’s what you should be doing. That’s why you’re in the business.

“And you’re going to see a group of guys who are going to come together like a big family,” he adds, meshing the fingers of both hands together, “and the closeness in the locker room can buy you (victories).

“We’re all in this together; everybody’s on the same page.”

If that proves true in the long haul, it will an achievement in itself after the splintering within under predecessor Scott Pioli.

But by way of example, Dorsey points first to Chiefs owner Clark Hunt and president Mark Donovan, speaking of each with admiration and later illustrating the flow chart by finding four Styrofoam plates and arranging them with Hunt represented at the top and Donovan, Reid and himself on the same line.

“The structure that Clark has set up, it works, it really does,” he said, adding that they have worked to create a “belief system” together. “Listen, not one guy has all the answers, but collectively, if you can take everybody together, the fist is much more powerful than (a finger).”

He added, “I know my strengths and weaknesses, but I’ll find the solution. Does that make sense? Just give me a little time and some patience, and I’ll use every resource available and I’ll find the solution.”

While Dorsey stressed the essentials of cooperation and communication throughout the organization, top to bottom, the dynamic that will be most evident and likely most vital to the franchise’s future after years of futility will be the one between Reid and him.

The duo became close during their time together in Green Bay, where Reid was an assistant from 1992-98 before his 14-year run as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles ended with a 4-12 campaign a year ago.

“Andy and I talk three times a day, even on vacation; we’re like two brothers,” he says, pulling out his cell phone to show a picture of his 2-year-old, “Baby Jack,” eating watermelon that he recently texted Reid. “That’s what we share; that’s part of the friendship, and that’s we do.

“We communicate. In the positions were in, and this includes Clark and Mark as well, we’re in constant communication. Constant communication makes effective organizations, and that’s the way it is.”

For a more tangible illustration of how that plays out, Dorsey retraced the steps of how they went about going after quarterback Alex Smith from the 49ers.

“The coaches did their evaluation, overall assessment of the team. We (in personnel) did our overall assessment of the team,” said Dorsey, who had spent most of the last two decades making his mark with the Packers in that capacity. “That way everybody gets a separate, objective opinion. Then Andy and I sat and talked, and it was interesting because we both were spot-on … about our needs.

“So then I assessed all of the quarterback pool there was, in the NFL and in college. I assessed it, then I ranked them, I broke them down. And it wasn’t even close. Alex Smith was the only option.”

The division of labor, Dorsey said, also should benefit Reid.

“I think it’s huge. His plate was full when he was in Philly, now; I mean, really full,” he said. “And the way that Clark has structured it, my job is to bring the chess pieces to the game and say, ‘There you go, big boy, let’s go play.’ ”

With a smile, he added that Reid is a “pretty good offensive schemer” — who will have more time for that again — among his other attributes.

“He is a gentleman; he is a leader. Andy’s really good at molding young men,” he said. “You know why? Because he is honest, he’s truthful. Guys believe in him. He’s going to tell it like it is, good or bad.”

His own upbeat aura notwithstanding, Dorsey has that in him, too.

He knows he’s in a honeymoon phase, of course, and he might prefer to undersell and overdeliver.

“I just wish the fans would taper down,” he said, smiling but maybe not quite joking. “I know they’re excited, but this is a marathon, not a sprint. It can’t happen overnight.”

That may most aptly be summed up by the fact that 53 of the 90 names on the Chiefs’ training camp roster are new.

“I’m just throwing this number out there flippantly, but the average shifting is probably 20,” Dorsey said. “But when you’re 2-14, you better do something.”

But even if he does consider himself a realist, even if he acknowledges “you never know what you have” until you see it, Dorsey is thrilled to be in the thick of the transition on the eve of his first Chiefs camp.

“It’s a new season,” he said. “I want to see this team (and) who they really are.”

And no matter who it is and how far it has to go, he adds, “When we wake up in the morning, that’s why we’re here, to not only make ourselves better but make our community better. Let’s do something special today.”

BlackHelicopters · 07-20-2013, 01:31 PM

Winning cures a lot of ills. Show us.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 01:34 PM

I think these types of attitudes are conducive to winning, but in the end, winning is all that matters.

They have a similar type of environment to what we had the past few years currently in NE and you don't see the fans flying banners, blacking out the stadium etc.

Winning makes everything ok.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 07-20-2013, 01:56 PM

After a long past due Peterson divorce and the whirl with the spoiled, family killing tramp. I'm not all that excited about Thanksgiving just yet.

Hammock Parties · 07-20-2013, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

the spoiled, family killing tramp. I

This is a new descriptor for the deceased. I LOVE IT.

ChiefAshhole20 · 07-20-2013, 02:43 PM

JESUS ****ING CHRIST PEOPLE. We went 2-14 last year and now have a new regime that went out for the best QB available to improve the team the most, and they went and got him. Oh, you want a Super Bowl QB? So does every other single team in the league, an this year happened to be one of the worst groups of QBs available in recent memory, but we still managed to get the best one.

Chill the **** out and realize there is no way of creating a SB team in one offseason removed from the worst record in the league. What more could they have possibly done this offseason? Draft Geno? There is going to be at least 3 QB prospects next draft that are superior to Geno. It is pitiful the way some of you grown ass men bitch. All you can ask for is significant progress, and so far, all signs point towards this year being significantly more competitive/enjoyable than last.

Hammock Parties · 07-20-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

There is going to be at least 3 QB prospects next draft that are superior to Geno.

We've already analyzed this.

There isn't.

**RealSNR** · 07-20-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Winning shit that actually matters cures a lot of ills. Show us.

FYP.

I'm done with 10-6 one-and-dones. I'd rather have more 2-12s than a decade of that garbage.

Fat Elvis · 07-20-2013, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, those guys grow on trees. Everyone in the league has a future Hall of Famer at QB except the Chiefs.

Exorbitant? What the ****? Have you seen the Chiefs second round draft history? In 2010, the Chiefs selected McCluster (who's been garbage) and Arenas, who was traded. What about such "gems" as Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, William Bartee, Kris Wilson or a second rounder for Patrick Surtain?

You have absolutely NO idea if the trade value was "exorbitant" because Alex Smith hasn't played a single down in Kansas City. Furthermore, 95% of this forum LOVED the results of the Trent Green trade, due to the fact that the Chiefs had such a potent offense, yet he guided the team to really only ONE playoff appearance which was a loss (Huard was the better QB in 2006).

For example, let's look at the NFL Value Chart, which I think is outdated, but it will at least give us a base for this conversation:

#12 overall: 1,200 points
#34 overall: 560 points

So, if Alex Smith guides this team to a 6-10 record this year (like Trent Green in 2001), the Chiefs will surrender a 3rd round draft choice, which would put the draft value at somewhere around 215 points. At that point, the Chiefs will have paid about 775 points, which is about 34% less than what they paid for Trent Green. If they go 8-8 or better, the value equals somewhere around 400 points, or 960 in total, which is about 20% less than the Green trade. Either way, it's much less than the Chiefs paid for Green to play for six seasons and lead the Chiefs to no playoff victories, yet people still revere him.

Regardless, IF Alex Smith leads this team to a single playoff game during his tenure, it could be considered to be a much better trade than the Trent Green trade, especially considering the fact that the Chiefs passed on Drew Brees, who is a probable Hall of Famer.

Damn you and your facts.

oldman · 07-20-2013, 03:08 PM

Like many on this board, I wasn't a big fan of the Smith trade. He's a lot better than anyone we had on the roster, so that's an immediate upgrade. I'd like to see what Reid and company an do with him before I pass final judgment. If we're 8-8 this year and we have to give up a 2nd, so be it, it's a hell of a lot better than 2-14 with Cassel being the starter and no competition.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

We've already analyzed this.

There isn't.

Bullshit.

You can't analyze shit.

**Trivers** · 07-20-2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, those guys grow on trees. Everyone in the league has a future Hall of Famer at QB except the Chiefs.

Exorbitant? What the ****? Have you seen the Chiefs second round draft history? In 2010, the Chiefs selected McCluster (who's been garbage) and Arenas, who was traded. What about such "gems" as Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, William Bartee, Kris Wilson or a second rounder for Patrick Surtain?

You have absolutely NO idea if the trade value was "exorbitant" because Alex Smith hasn't played a single down in Kansas City. Furthermore, 95% of this forum LOVED the results of the Trent Green trade, due to the fact that the Chiefs had such a potent offense, yet he guided the team to really only ONE playoff appearance which was a loss (Huard was the better QB in 2006).

For example, let's look at the NFL Value Chart, which I think is outdated, but it will at least give us a base for this conversation:

#12 overall: 1,200 points
#34 overall: 560 points

So, if Alex Smith guides this team to a 6-10 record this year (like Trent Green in 2001), the Chiefs will surrender a 3rd round draft choice, which would put the draft value at somewhere around 215 points. At that point, the Chiefs will have paid about 775 points, which is about 34% less than what they paid for Trent Green. If they go 8-8 or better, the value equals somewhere around 400 points, or 960 in total, which is about 20% less than the Green trade. Either way, it's much less than the Chiefs paid for Green to play for six seasons and lead the Chiefs to no playoff victories, yet people still revere him.

Regardless, IF Alex Smith leads this team to a single playoff game during his tenure, it could be considered to be a much better trade than the Trent Green trade, especially considering the fact that the Chiefs passed on Drew Brees, who is a probable Hall of Famer.

Dane, you know better than to bring good, solid logic to a silly emotional pissy fight!

Now the other side will have to resort to calling you names to continue their silly argument!

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

FYP.

I'm done with 10-6 one-and-dones. I'd rather have more 2-12s than a decade of that garbage.

**RealSNR** · 07-20-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not calling any of these new guys successful until I see some playoff wins.

10-6 and one and done doesn't mean jack shit. Just ask Pioli. Any asshole can do that.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 03:17 PM

If we win playoff games those picks don't matter. However we can't use the chiefs history of whiffing on 2 rounders against this regime same as we can't use previous qb trades.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm not calling any of these new guys successful until I see some playoff wins.

10-6 and one and done doesn't mean jack shit. Just ask Pioli. Any asshole can do that.

If the Chiefs went 2-14 for the next decade, they'd probably be sued by the county and looking for a new city when their lease expires.

I'm sorry but that's just absurd.

07-20-2013, 10:18 AM
mdchiefsfan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Casino cash: $723904	New GM Dorsey brings energy, enthusiasm to first training camp with Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/19...nthusiasm.html July 19 BY VAHE GREGORIAN The Kansas City Star The sheer, sincere energy radiates, almost enough to make you flinch or squint, as John Dorsey walks in the room and introduces himself. As the new Chiefs general manager prepared to embark Friday for an inspection of the operation at Missouri Western, where the team begins training camp with a trickle Monday and in earnest on Friday, it was hard not to get reeled in by his boyish enthusiasm. He spoke of the franchise being a “crown jewel” once it’s awakened and vowed he “will not rest” until then. He talked of an organization that is “symmetrically aligned” and of the good people he is working with — “You can feel that around here ” — in the aftermath of a reign of error that he isn’t interested in addressing. “I don’t live in the past; I live in the present and look forward to the future,” Dorsey said. “I’ll learn from the past, but I won’t live in it. I am who I am.” And who he is couldn’t contain his anticipation of the home opener against Dallas on Sept. 15. “Here’s what I can’t wait to hear,” he says, before bellowing out a somewhat disturbing, impossible-to-describe roaring sound. “These fans are unbelievable. I mean, I just want to hear them cranked up.” Toward that end, here’s what he says fans should look for in the first year of the new regime of Dorsey and head coach Andy Reid. “Everybody should expect a team that will be very competitive, that will represent the brand of the Kansas City Chiefs and what it stands for,” he said. “You’re going to see a bunch of guys that are excited and competitive and are going to compete their (tails) off for the AFC West — and rightfully so. “That’s what you should be doing. That’s why you’re in the business. “And you’re going to see a group of guys who are going to come together like a big family,” he adds, meshing the fingers of both hands together, “and the closeness in the locker room can buy you (victories). “We’re all in this together; everybody’s on the same page.” If that proves true in the long haul, it will an achievement in itself after the splintering within under predecessor Scott Pioli. But by way of example, Dorsey points first to Chiefs owner Clark Hunt and president Mark Donovan, speaking of each with admiration and later illustrating the flow chart by finding four Styrofoam plates and arranging them with Hunt represented at the top and Donovan, Reid and himself on the same line. “The structure that Clark has set up, it works, it really does,” he said, adding that they have worked to create a “belief system” together. “Listen, not one guy has all the answers, but collectively, if you can take everybody together, the fist is much more powerful than (a finger).” He added, “I know my strengths and weaknesses, but I’ll find the solution. Does that make sense? Just give me a little time and some patience, and I’ll use every resource available and I’ll find the solution.” While Dorsey stressed the essentials of cooperation and communication throughout the organization, top to bottom, the dynamic that will be most evident and likely most vital to the franchise’s future after years of futility will be the one between Reid and him. The duo became close during their time together in Green Bay, where Reid was an assistant from 1992-98 before his 14-year run as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles ended with a 4-12 campaign a year ago. “Andy and I talk three times a day, even on vacation; we’re like two brothers,” he says, pulling out his cell phone to show a picture of his 2-year-old, “Baby Jack,” eating watermelon that he recently texted Reid. “That’s what we share; that’s part of the friendship, and that’s we do. “We communicate. In the positions were in, and this includes Clark and Mark as well, we’re in constant communication. Constant communication makes effective organizations, and that’s the way it is.” For a more tangible illustration of how that plays out, Dorsey retraced the steps of how they went about going after quarterback Alex Smith from the 49ers. “The coaches did their evaluation, overall assessment of the team. We (in personnel) did our overall assessment of the team,” said Dorsey, who had spent most of the last two decades making his mark with the Packers in that capacity. “That way everybody gets a separate, objective opinion. Then Andy and I sat and talked, and it was interesting because we both were spot-on … about our needs. “So then I assessed all of the quarterback pool there was, in the NFL and in college. I assessed it, then I ranked them, I broke them down. And it wasn’t even close. Alex Smith was the only option.” The division of labor, Dorsey said, also should benefit Reid. “I think it’s huge. His plate was full when he was in Philly, now; I mean, really full,” he said. “And the way that Clark has structured it, my job is to bring the chess pieces to the game and say, ‘There you go, big boy, let’s go play.’ ” With a smile, he added that Reid is a “pretty good offensive schemer” — who will have more time for that again — among his other attributes. “He is a gentleman; he is a leader. Andy’s really good at molding young men,” he said. “You know why? Because he is honest, he’s truthful. Guys believe in him. He’s going to tell it like it is, good or bad.” His own upbeat aura notwithstanding, Dorsey has that in him, too. He knows he’s in a honeymoon phase, of course, and he might prefer to undersell and overdeliver. “I just wish the fans would taper down,” he said, smiling but maybe not quite joking. “I know they’re excited, but this is a marathon, not a sprint. It can’t happen overnight.” That may most aptly be summed up by the fact that 53 of the 90 names on the Chiefs’ training camp roster are new. “I’m just throwing this number out there flippantly, but the average shifting is probably 20,” Dorsey said. “But when you’re 2-14, you better do something.” But even if he does consider himself a realist, even if he acknowledges “you never know what you have” until you see it, Dorsey is thrilled to be in the thick of the transition on the eve of his first Chiefs camp. “It’s a new season,” he said. “I want to see this team (and) who they really are.” And no matter who it is and how far it has to go, he adds, “When we wake up in the morning, that’s why we’re here, to not only make ourselves better but make our community better. Let’s do something special today.”
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07-20-2013, 01:34 PM	#32
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-605936	I think these types of attitudes are conducive to winning, but in the end, winning is all that matters. They have a similar type of environment to what we had the past few years currently in NE and you don't see the fans flying banners, blacking out the stadium etc. Winning makes everything ok.
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07-20-2013, 01:56 PM	#33
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07-20-2013, 02:43 PM	#35
ChiefAshhole20 Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Houston, TX Casino cash: $10005862	JESUS **ING CHRIST PEOPLE. We went 2-14 last year and now have a new regime that went out for the best QB available to improve the team the most, and they went and got him. Oh, you want a Super Bowl QB? So does every other single team in the league, an this year happened to be one of the worst groups of QBs available in recent memory, but we still managed to get the best one. Chill the ** out and realize there is no way of creating a SB team in one offseason removed from the worst record in the league. What more could they have possibly done this offseason? Draft Geno? There is going to be at least 3 QB prospects next draft that are superior to Geno. It is pitiful the way some of you grown ass men bitch. All you can ask for is significant progress, and so far, all signs point towards this year being significantly more competitive/enjoyable than last.
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07-20-2013, 03:08 PM	#39
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	Like many on this board, I wasn't a big fan of the Smith trade. He's a lot better than anyone we had on the roster, so that's an immediate upgrade. I'd like to see what Reid and company an do with him before I pass final judgment. If we're 8-8 this year and we have to give up a 2nd, so be it, it's a hell of a lot better than 2-14 with Cassel being the starter and no competition.
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07-20-2013, 03:17 PM	#44
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-605936	If we win playoff games those picks don't matter. However we can't use the chiefs history of whiffing on 2 rounders against this regime same as we can't use previous qb trades.
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