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Old 01-30-2014, 07:44 PM   #1
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:47 PM   #2
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
I think that Manziel does a great Ryan Leaf impersonation.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:49 PM   #3
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I think that Manziel does a great Ryan Leaf impersonation.
How do you figure ? Their personalities are nothing alike nor are their skillsets.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:20 PM   #4
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It's a horrible scenario because we have a solid QB that AR loves. We just picked the wrong year to have the #1 overall. We really need that WR and Safety and using #23 on Manziel puts us into the 3rd round by drafting a backup QB.

That being said I think Manziel will be a special talent and for the long haul we'd be better off drafting him. People that compare him ti Tim Tebow are disillusional. I swear if somehow the Broncos get ahold of Manziel I'm done with football.
They're totally different in terms of stature, throwing skills, and personalities, but quite similar in terms of what makes them intriguing prospects in the NFL. Why are some NFL teams interested in Manziel?

1) He's got a deep list of highlight reel plays. Some of them clutch, others that just make you go, "How the hell did he pull that off?"

2) He's perceived as a QB that just has (and I hate this cliche more than anything else in pro sports) "it". He's got an undefined trait that makes him do undefined things at given times. Uhh, what? But scouts and fans still buy into that bullshit all the time

3) He's very mobile, and can take your offense to dimensions that other QBs can't. You can have the pocket passer vs. scrambler debate all you want, but regardless of which side you come down on, it's a given that defenses at least will have to respect that part of his game that they won't have to respect when they play against Tom Brady.

But that's it. He doesn't run a pro offense. The decisions he makes on the field aren't able to be tracked by scouts. They're impulsive and risky. And while that's often very good, NFL coaches ****ing hate that shit if the QB can't take the edge off and just be smart and safe with the ball every once in awhile.

You're not drafting him for his talent or technique as a passer or for his smarts (although there's nothing to say that he can't become a very cerebral QB at the next level). You're drafting him for undefined talents. That's EXACTLY what Tim Tebow was. It was a moron coach in Josh McDaniels who said, "Man, he's got all these great things he does in college with the football that no other QB does! If I can just teach him to do X, Y, and Z we'll be all set! It may take some time, but I think it can work."

Manziel is a Colin Kaepernick type QB. If you want to take him and sit him for awhile, then great. Nothing wrong with that. If you're aware that he's a high risk high reward kind of QB and the reason for drafting him is to hopefully come out at the end with a rapeface of a QB, then fine. But he's not a "must pick" kind of QB. He's not an Aaron Rodgers kind of QB where you say, "Wow, THIS guy fell that far? How can we not draft him?" He's not even like Brady Quinn in that regard, either. He's a QB for a team interested in taking an "Eh, why the **** not?" shot. That's not what I call a "You just gotta draft this guy" prospect.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:53 PM   #5
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The problem and solution you are getting with Manziel is that he's Fran Tarkenton on the field and Joe Namath off it.

He's an absolute leader and phenom on the field. He's got a really good arm and can make all the throws. And he's got wheels. And he's got instincts that are simply off the charts. And he's a prima donna party animal lunatic.

If I'm the Texans, I pick him. If I'm the Jaguars, I pick him. If I'm the Browns, I pick him. If I'm the Raiders, I pick him. If I'm the Vikings, I pick him. And I wait for him to get my team to the Super Bowl sooner rather than later and I wait to pick up the tabloids with him on the front page being dragged out of a strip club by the cops.

Fortunately, the Chiefs are locked into Smith, Daniel and Bray and they don't pick him.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:54 PM   #6
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I don't think he has as strong of an arm as advertised.
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:55 AM   #7
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I don't think he has as strong of an arm as advertised.
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:09 PM   #8
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He looks ridiculously ****ing tiny, too... Not just height, but weight
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:17 AM   #9
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He looks ridiculously ****ing tiny, too... Not just height, but weight
Dude, he's not even done growing into his size 14 shoe size.
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:25 AM   #10
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Dude, he's not even done growing into his size 14 shoe size.
Yeah, I feel like an idiot now. Looked up his measurements, not as small as I pictured. He still looks extremely skinny, though. Maybe just a smaller frame. I might just be an idiot, though
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At this point I'd rather stick with Bray instead of wasting a draft pick on Jon Pigskin.
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At this point I'd rather stick with Bray instead of wasting a draft pick on Jon Pigskin.
Just depends how Bray is developing in the eyes of the coaches, because we have no idea if he's on par or he's exceeding expectations. If Tyler isn't then bring in another QB to battle for the 2nd or 3rd string position.
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:57 AM   #14
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I hope he doesn't drop that far so we don't have to make that choice. There are so many good players that will be at 23 I don't want to use it on a qb. I hope there is a run on qbs and lineman so skill players will drop to us.
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I'd take Lee over probably anyone but Clowney. I really think he could be a phenomenal receiver, especially in this system.
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