Chiefs Let's talk about the ****ing Bills. - Page 32

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

Marcellus · 11-07-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I'd say that's probably the main difference for most winning teams.

Nah most winning teams simply hit on every draft pick and sign every single FA available each season.

Its just that simple.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

How did this Bills thread turn into a discussion about Fisher and Ford being good/not good?

Ask Rausch

Marcellus · 11-07-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

See what I mean?

John Clayton just said Watkins is questionable but more likely doubtful since he didn't practice today.

He is the best WR on my shitty auto picked FF team so it makes complete sense to me.

ThaVirus · 11-07-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

He is the best WR on my shitty auto picked FF team so it makes complete sense to me.

Trade the farm for Peyton Manning pronto.

OldSchool · 11-07-2014, 02:05 PM

Fisher has gone through one hell of a grinder in his first season starting as a LT in the NFL. His play has been very promising to say the least. Just hope he keeps building on it. Still needs some work but he's coming along and hasn't have any real step back in his development from what I've seen.

He'll be a pro-bowl caliber LT by next season, that's where I see his current trajectory taking him. He just needs that full healthy off-season to add some muscle and a bit more power to his frame.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your post is complete speculation.

The Chiefs would not have gotten the same production and they would have had to sign some scrub off the streets for the initial four games.

And IMO, Fisher does NOT have a "long way to go". The guy is improving each week and has played well against some pretty fierce pass rushers to date.

To get to elite, he's got a ways to go. Our coaching staff has schemed the offense to get it put quick up to this point.

Of course it's speculation. I'm discussing another way they could have went in the draft.

They would have had albert there last year, could have drafted or signed a LT this offseason.

In the end though, it's speculation

**Easy 6** · 11-07-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Right? Were you lurking during week 1? It was insanity.

Im sure you have a pretty good idea of what it was like without actually being here.

In fairness, people were right to lose their minds... that loss was so bad and may yet come back to haunt us.

lcarus · 11-07-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So we'll run the ball extremely effectively?

Jamaal was averaging over 5 YPC that game. Andy forgot to feed him.

I hope its like that game. We totally shoulda won that game

Mr. Laz · 11-07-2014, 02:43 PM

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 59m59 minutes ago
#Chiefs coach Andy Reid says WR Donnie Avery, CB Jamell Fleming and LB Jerry Franklin will miss Sunday’s game against the Bills.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

To get to elite, he's got a ways to go. Our coaching staff has schemed the offense to get it put quick up to this point.

Of course it's speculation. I'm discussing another way they could have went in the draft.

They would have had albert there last year, could have drafted or signed a LT this offseason.

In the end though, it's speculation

I am very happy with John Dorsey's decision making in regards to personnel in 2013 and 2014.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 59m59 minutes ago
#Chiefs coach Andy Reid says WR Donnie Avery, CB Jamell Fleming and LB Jerry Franklin will miss Sunday’s game against the Bills.

Well, at least we won't have to endure watching Avery drop easy catches.

Three7s · 11-07-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, at least we won't have to endure watching Avery drop easy catches.

Fleming is a pretty big loss with the way he was playing.

O.city · 11-07-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I am very happy with John Dorsey's decision making in regards to personnel in 2013 and 2014.

Save for the Emmanuel Saunders debacle, I agree.

And I'm not sure that was his fault anyway

Titty Meat · 11-07-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Bills should probably sit Jackson and Watkins to get prepared for the Dolphins. That's what I would do if I were them.

This is a crazy idea. Must win game for both teams.

**ShortRoundChief** · 11-07-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

This is a crazy idea. Must win game for both teams.

Agreed, save for the Raiders twice the rest of the schedule has no guaranteed wins.

If we land a playoff spot with what we have we might actually make some noise.

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2073447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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11-07-2014, 02:05 PM	#470
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Fisher has gone through one hell of a grinder in his first season starting as a LT in the NFL. His play has been very promising to say the least. Just hope he keeps building on it. Still needs some work but he's coming along and hasn't have any real step back in his development from what I've seen. He'll be a pro-bowl caliber LT by next season, that's where I see his current trajectory taking him. He just needs that full healthy off-season to add some muscle and a bit more power to his frame.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 59m59 minutes ago #Chiefs coach Andy Reid says WR Donnie Avery, CB Jamell Fleming and LB Jerry Franklin will miss Sunday’s game against the Bills. __________________
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