Chiefs vs Patriots

[Mythjp]

I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by bideau

McGahee was coming off three consecutive 100+ games.

McGahee had 2 straight 100 yd games against NY Giants and Arizona...58 against Baltimore 3 weeks ago and 100+ against Miami 4 weeks ago.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

You might try reading the subsequent posts...

I went back and did so. You're definitely wrong, but whatever.

1. Teams are are behind tend to have MORE success running the ball because it's less expected. Teams that are ahead are playing to defend the big pass play. Your argument that being ahead results in a better run defense PER RUSH makes no sense.

2. Rushing yards per GAME is an irrelevant stat. I ignore it, as I do all "per game" statistics. They're nearly meaningless.

3. Chiefs are allowing more than half a yard MORE PER RUSH than the Patriots.

4. As shown in my post, the Patriots have played three superb running teams (Seattle, St. Louis, Jets (all averaging 4.5+ yards per rush), three average/solid run teams (Indy, Steelers, Arizona (right around 4.0 per rush), and 3 mediocre running teams (Miami and Buff x2). The Chiefs have played 2 superb, 5 average, and 2 mediocre running teams. That's pretty close to a wash.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mythjp

.....You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots.....

You know, this comment here says all I need to know. This is the kind of arrogance that is bred when a team wins a couple SBs. That's the only reason why I'm sick of the Pats and fans like this. Reminds me of the Cowboys fans back in the early to mid 90s. Yeah, your team is doing well but, it won't last forever. And your statement is false, btw.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Lzen

You know, this comment here says all I need to know. This is the kind of arrogance that is bred when a team wins a couple SBs. That's the only reason why I'm sick of the Pats and fans like this. Reminds me of the Cowboys fans back in the early to mid 90s. Yeah, your team is doing well but, it won't last forever. And your statement is false, btw.

I disagree with the initial post. I will say that I don't think the Chiefs have faced as good a team, on both sides of the ball, as the Patriots. I put only the Steelers and *maybe* the Iggles into that category this year. The Colts defense is still a joke, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

Ravens and some of hte other teams the Chiefs have played have very good defenses.

KC can hang 20+ on anybody. It isn't about stopping them, it's about limiting them.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I disagree with the initial post. I will say that I don't think the Chiefs have faced as good a team, on both sides of the ball, as the Patriots. I put only the Steelers and *maybe* the Iggles into that category this year. The Colts defense is still a joke, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

Ravens and some of hte other teams the Chiefs have played have very good defenses.

KC can hang 20+ on anybody. It isn't about stopping them, it's about limiting them.

That's a much more well thought out assessment.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I went back and did so. You're definitely wrong, but whatever.

1. Teams are are behind tend to have MORE success running the ball because it's less expected. Teams that are ahead are playing to defend the big pass play. Your argument that being ahead results in a better run defense PER RUSH makes no sense.

What? Teams that are behind have to play catch up which means passing the ball. Cmon, Amno, you're smarter than that. Ive never seen football game where a team down by more than 10 starts running the ball more than passing it.

Running the ball is just one facet of the game. The Pats have had a cake schedule this year and has had the benefit of playing with big leads. Even the Seattle game, NE jumped out to a 10 point lead early and that pretty much took SA out of the game--it was 20-6 at half time.

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by Mythjp

I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse.

Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

[bideau]

Originally Posted by chiefs4me

Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run

And just an FYI, the Pats have sold out every game since '94 and have a season ticket waiting list of over 50,000.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by bideau

Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run

Yes, luck...who knew that a 6th rd QB would have the impact he's had. That's winning the lottery, IMO, much like KC did with Holmes.

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by bideau

Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run

And just an FYI, the Pats have sold out every game since '94 and have a season ticket waiting list of over 50,000.

Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

[Annihilus]

Originally Posted by chiefs4me

Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

What, are you kidding? I hope so.

You want to see some gloating mofo's, hop on over to a Steeler's board.

We're still getting annoying ass trolls and we didn't even play them this week. I hope to God we get them again in the playoffs.

Seriously though, like any team we've got our bandwaggoners - but there's a whole ton of us who've been around for a coon's age too. I must admit though, winning does make it easier to come out and visit other boards though.

[Annihilus]

Originally Posted by chiefs4me

Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

Yep, and both of us are enjoying the ride - thanks.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Annihilus

We're still getting annoying ass trolls and we didn't even play them this week. I hope to God we get them again in the playoffs.

We got some really annoying Steeler trolls last year before the KC/Pitt game. The 40-10 win kept them from coming back. I can only imagine how insufferable they would have been had KC lost.

[bideau]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Yes, luck...who knew that a 6th rd QB would have the impact he's had. That's winning the lottery, IMO, much like KC did with Holmes.

To some extent, luck had something to do with getting Brady.

The story usually told says that the Pats were looking to pick up a project QB late in the 2000 draft. Someone they could put on the practice squad and try to develop. The QB coach at the time strongly recommended Brady and Belichick went along. So luck, yes. But give credit to the coach who scouted him.

When Holmes was a free agent in Baltimore, the Pats tried to sign him. At least two teams saw his potential at the time.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

What? [b]Teams that are behind have to play catch up which means passing the ball.[b] Cmon, Amno, you're smarter than that. Ive never seen football game where a team down by more than 10 starts running the ball more than passing it.

Running the ball is just one facet of the game. The Pats have had a cake schedule this year and has had the benefit of playing with big leads. Even the Seattle game, NE jumped out to a 10 point lead early and that pretty much took SA out of the game--it was 20-6 at half time.

Somehow we're completely talking past each other.

1. Teams that are behind tend to throw more and run less, especially as it gets later in the game.

2. Teams that are ahead tend to emphasize pass defense, in order to prevent quick scoring.

3. Pats have had an easier schedule than last year, but it's not a total cakewalk. Pittsburgh, Indy, Seattle, St. Louis and the Jets are all serious teams capable of beating anyone in any given week. My "back of the envelope" math tells me that the Patriots have played teams with a combined record of 41-40, while the Chiefs have played teams with a combined record of 44-37. HOWEVER!!! Since the Patriots are 8-1 and the Chiefs are 3-6, if you deduct those games, and go with a "record against OTHER opponents" metric, you get a Pats opponent combined record of 40-32 compared to 38-34 for the Chiefs. So I'm afraid your "you've had a tougher schedule to deal with" doesn't get too far.