This Bowe thing...

[Groves]

Originally Posted by scott free

In the real world, we have to work FIRST...then get paid.

Largely true for us workforce mortals, but then you get an LJ situation, and the talk seems to shift from what you said to "well sure he's been good in the *past*, but what about now and in the future?"

Everyone seems to just protect their own interests, and few people have the guts to be unselfish.

[CoMoChief]

Brady Quinn is holding out because he wants close to top 10 money after being ranked as a top 10 prospect throughout the entire offseason before the NFL draft. After a few teams passed (noticably MIA, which btw I still think it's funny they took Ted Ginn Jr. with the 8th pick.) you kinda knew that Quinn was gonna drop. In a sense Quinn has some right in demanding more money than the average #22 1st round pick, but Bowe does not. He was not ranked even in the top 20 on most boards. The slotting is there. Bowe should get paid accordingly based on what others around him got paid. When it all comes down to it, Locke works for Bowe, not the other way around.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Brady Quinn is holding out because he wants close to top 10 money after being ranked as a top 10 prospect throughout the entire offseason before the NFL draft. After a few teams passed (noticably MIA, which btw I still think it's funny they took Ted Ginn Jr. with the 8th pick.) you kinda knew that Quinn was gonna drop. In a sense Quinn has some right in demanding more money than the average #22 1st round pick, but Bowe does not. He was not ranked even in the top 20 on most boards. The slotting is there. Bowe should get paid accordingly based on what others around him got paid. When it all comes down to it, Locke works for Bowe, not the other way around.

I agree that Locke works for Bowe, but IMO Quinn was taken at # 22, therefore he should be paid like it. It's pretty simple in my book.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defense would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.

Wow, I had no idea that Bowe is so good that the team has no chance to win without him. We might as well just give up, shut down training camp and call the season off.

[Chief Wiggum]

Having gone through contract negotiations myself recently, I'm sympathetic to Bowe trying to get all the money he can - that's capitalism. However, I think his agent is a douche and the thing that drives me nuts is we all know roughly what the slot is going to pay. With whatever minor wiggle room there is to negotiate, why don't they just put that money in performance incentives?

[FAX]

Bowe haters. Boo.

The only thing "bust" about Bowe is the statue he's going to have in the Hall.

Now, if we can just get him in a game.

FAX

[GoHuge]

What pisses me off is if you look at the guys that have signed around him Bowe is squabbling about less than $500,000. Just do the math. I don't think Quinn should figure in to what Bowe gets. He's asking for top 10 money even though nobody thought he was worth a top 20 pick. It's frustrating as hell if Bowe is indeed waiting for Quinn to sign. Especially if Cleveland does something stupid like pay him top 10 money. That will really cause some problems, because Carl isn't paying him anymore than what he should be slotted at. It pisses me off that that dollar figure is holding up him being in his rookie training camp. He stands to loose alot more than $500,000 in the future because everyday he misses in camp will be reflected on the playing field in the regular season. If this goes much longer he may not start all year. Who knows. He needs to get his ass to camp.

[Rain Man]

If I was an NFL player, my contract with my agent would have a secret clause where they get a smaller percentage of the till with every passing day. Sign me today? You get 10 percent. Sign me tomorrow? You get 9.95 percent, and so on. You can bet that the agent would get me into camp on time.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If I was an NFL player, my contract with my agent would have a secret clause where they get a smaller percentage of the till with every passing day. Sign me today? You get 10 percent. Sign me tomorrow? You get 9.95 percent, and so on. You can bet that the agent would get me into camp on time.

I doubt you'd have an agent, or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

[Skip Towne]

The Chiefs should decrease their offer daily.

[CosmicPal]

Originally Posted by Mecca

or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

So.

As much as I love football, I'd play the game for $100,000 a year. Just like the players of old who had second jobs during the off-season. I love the game enough that it wouldn't matter to me how much I got paid. Just sign me now, so I can get my love on the field.

You don't need 50 fuggen million. Pull on your helmet, put on your cleats, and get out there and play some fuggen football.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I doubt you'd have an agent, or you wouldn't get the best deal possible.

The odds of me not getting an agent would be zero. They would be less than zero if that was possible. There isn't an agent in the world who wouldn't take that deal, because there are 32 first-round picks and 8 gazillion "sports agents".

And in terms of getting the best deal, what's your definition of that? If you mean the maximum money in the short-term, possibly not. But if you mean the best deal for my career, it would help my odds. Right now, you've got agents who will advise a ROOKIE player to HOLD OUT in his all-important first training camp so they can get an extra $100,000, or get some escalator clause that has a 5 percent chance of kicking in. Are they doing that for the player? No. They're doing it so they can get their ten percent and then tell the next prospect that they got a great deal. They don't care about the players' careers.

[Mecca]

If you have a chance to get that much money you do it, if you don't you are stupid.....it's a lot of money enough to set up your family forever. It's called being a smart businessman.

Just like people who bitch about baseball players is 40 mill a lot of money? Yea but if another team offers 80 you'd be a complete idiot to not take the 80. It's like now if another job offers you twice what you make now I seriously doubt you're gonna be hangin around.

[cdcox]

Mecca, the thing is that he is that by delaying his development, he is putting his second contract at risk. The extra amount he he is likely to get by dragging things out is probably in the neighborhood of 2-3% of his second contract if he becomes a star. When you look at it that way, it's a bad business deal.

[Mecca]

How many guys actually see 2nd contracts? The average NFL players career is like 3-4 years......even if he does you never know.

Lets take Reggie Williams for example the 11th pick by the Jags a few years ago the biggest contract he will ever see is likely the first one he signed. There's a legit chance this contract will be the biggest one Bowe gets in his career.