KU Self Cheating in Recruiting - Page 4

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 09:18 PM

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

**Lzen** · 01-20-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

He shouldn't have put himself in the position to be able to be in contact with the potential recruit it if was a violation of the rules. I don't think he could claim ignorance of the rules.

Now, I will be one of the first one's to admit that there are some pretty stupid rules that the NCAA needs to look into, but currently they are existing rules.

Have you seen some of the NCAA rules? You need a masters degree in ludicrousology.

bkkcoh · 01-20-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Have you seen some of the NCAA rules? You need a masters degree in ludicrousology.

Yes, I have heard of some of the odd rules that the NCAA has

it is the presidents of the universities that have allowed the NCAA the power it has. Expect to remove any of the power the NCAA has, not gonna happen.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-20-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Have you seen some of the NCAA rules? You need a masters degree in ludicrousology.

What rule(s) bother you? I'm interestesd in your actual knowledge on the subject.

**Skip Towne** · 01-20-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Please be quiet and don't talk to me /looking down my nose at you

Agreed. How dare a MUron speak to us.

Reerun_KC · 01-20-2009, 09:07 AM

Does this mean our NC title is going to be taken away?

Oh Noes!

HolyHandgernade · 01-20-2009, 09:25 AM

spirit of the law: no biggie
letter of the law: you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'

Go get him Bill!

**Skip Towne** · 01-20-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Does this mean our NC title is going to be taken away?

Oh Noes!

Oh well, we have several more/ arrogant Jayhawk

KC_Connection · 01-20-2009, 09:47 AM

That doesn't look like too much to me.

But to be serious, I'd be angry if he wasn't "cheating" in recruiting.

**Lzen** · 01-20-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

What rule(s) bother you? I'm interestesd in your actual knowledge on the subject.

If you're expecting me to say I have read over the NCAA rulebook, you will be waiting for a long time. There was an article in the paper about this a couple years or so ago, IIRC. They mentioned several things that were just silly, IMO.

**Lzen** · 01-20-2009, 10:09 AM

BTW William, I am not about to search all day for the article to which I was referring, but I did find this little piece. It's not exactly what I was looking for, but it does point out some NCAA rules silliness. For instance, not being allowed cell phone calls but text messages are legal. WTF sense does that make? And is this guy making a joke or is it true that there is a 32,641-page NCAA rule book?

http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kauf...day/print.html

jidar · 01-20-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

And Beakers wonder why they're considered arrogant.

I agree that it's not a big deal, but good lord, man....

We're not arrogant, we're just better than you.

And you shut your mouth when you're talking to me boy.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-20-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen

BTW William, I am not about to search all day for the article to which I was referring, but I did find this little piece. It's not exactly what I was looking for, but it does point out some NCAA rules silliness. For instance, not being allowed cell phone calls but text messages are legal. WTF sense does that make? And is this guy making a joke or is it true that there is a 32,641-page NCAA rule book?

http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kauf...day/print.html

The rule book is not 32k pages long. Text messages are not allowed either. To my knowlege, that changed shortly after that article was published.

I was just looking to see if you could back that statement up with something factual. You couldn't, and that's cool.

Mr. Arrowhead · 01-20-2009, 11:44 AM

what a cheater

**Lzen** · 01-20-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

The rule book is not 32k pages long. Text messages are not allowed either. To my knowlege, that changed shortly after that article was published.

I was just looking to see if you could back that statement up with something factual. You couldn't, and that's cool.

I knew exactly what you were doing. Trying to one up a KU fan. Good for you. I am not going to spend the time to look up an article that I read a while ago. I am pretty sure it was posted on a forum that I frequent. Whether that was CP or another, I can't remember. But I know that it pointed out some pretty ridiculous stuff. But go ahead and attack me if that makes you feel better about yourself and your sad little Kitties.

Brock · 01-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Maybe K State can make a DVD about it.

01-19-2009, 09:18 PM
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1451248	Self Cheating in Recruiting And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive. http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit LAWRENCE \| Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield. Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings. “Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.” A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished. Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.” NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.” The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.” The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall. Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami. The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13
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Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-569308	BTW William, I am not about to search all day for the article to which I was referring, but I did find this little piece. It's not exactly what I was looking for, but it does point out some NCAA rules silliness. For instance, not being allowed cell phone calls but text messages are legal. WTF sense does that make? And is this guy making a joke or is it true that there is a 32,641-page NCAA rule book? http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kauf...day/print.html __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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