Super Bowl Rings and the Overpricing of the Quarterback

[Jimmya]

Straight up game manager, yes.

[Basileus777]

Seattle is a bit of an exception. It's rare that you can build a team out of underpaid veterans and stars on rookie contracts.

That said, Manning clearly bombed in the Superbowl. Denver was built financially around a dominating offense and they could not win with Peyton playing this poorly.

[BlackHelicopters]

Can't believe he had 280 yards passing.

[Eleazar]

Wilson played great.

I think the idea around Chiefsplanet is that a QB doesn't play a great game unless they throw for 300 yards and 3 TD with 0 INT. It's false.

A QB plays a great game if he is efficient and does his part to keep drives moving, resulting in points. The best measure is really the QB Rating considered coequally with the offense's scoring output.

You might look at Manning's stats last week and say he was better last week than Wilson was this week. Well, passing yards and TDs are dependent on situations and game plan. Seattle took their foot off the gas this week. Wilson made competent decisions executing drives.

That doesn't mean he's a game manager. It means he's the general of that offense and he's leading them effectively.

Judge him by 43 points and no turnovers.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Wilson played great.

I think the idea around Chiefsplanet is that a QB doesn't play a great game unless they throw for 300 yards and 3 TD with 0 INT. It's false.

A QB plays a great game if he is efficient and does his part to keep drives moving, resulting in points. The best measure is really the QB Rating considered coequally with the offense's points.

You might look at Manning's stats last week and say he was better last week than Wilson was this week. Well, passing yards and TDs are dependent on situations and game plan. Seattle took their foot off the gas this week. Wilson made competent decisions executing drives.

That doesn't mean he's a game manager. It means he's the general of that offense and he's leading them effectively.

Judge him by 43 points and no turnovers.

Hey, I thought game managing QB's were taboo around here?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

Hey, I thought game managing QB's were taboo around here?

What I'm saying is that in a veiled "Alex Smith Sucks" debate around here, you have "franchise quarterbacks" and "game managers", and we google stats endlessly which omit all the context of how football is played, which is situational.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Wilson played great.

I think the idea around Chiefsplanet is that a QB doesn't play a great game unless they throw for 300 yards and 3 TD with 0 INT. It's false.

A QB plays a great game if he is efficient and does his part to keep drives moving, resulting in points. The best measure is really the QB Rating considered coequally with the offense's scoring output.

You might look at Manning's stats last week and say he was better last week than Wilson was this week. Well, passing yards and TDs are dependent on situations and game plan. Seattle took their foot off the gas this week. Wilson made competent decisions executing drives.

That doesn't mean he's a game manager. It means he's the general of that offense and he's leading them effectively.

Judge him by 43 points and no turnovers.

I didn't say being a game manager is a bad thing.
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[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I thought Wilson played like an ideal, true game manager. Played an extremely efficient game, wasn't stunning, but made big throws every single time he needed to. And I don't think many players we often incorrectly label as game managers could manage the game the way Wilson did.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wilson was exceptional as long as people get it out of their heads that 400yard performances are exceptional. He capitalized on opportunities. And his drive management in the second half, the way he nicked away and kept drives going made it impossible for Denver to come back.

I think back to one throw where Tate was open on a deep route. He tucked it under and ran. Tremendous heady play from a guy who knew he was up by 29 and knew some chances weren't worth taking. And the accuracy of his throws... He made every throw count.

Originally Posted by Cochise

Wilson played great.

I think the idea around Chiefsplanet is that a QB doesn't play a great game unless they throw for 300 yards and 3 TD with 0 INT. It's false.

A QB plays a great game if he is efficient and does his part to keep drives moving, resulting in points. The best measure is really the QB Rating considered coequally with the offense's scoring output.

You might look at Manning's stats last week and say he was better last week than Wilson was this week. Well, passing yards and TDs are dependent on situations and game plan. Seattle took their foot off the gas this week. Wilson made competent decisions executing drives.

That doesn't mean he's a game manager. It means he's the general of that offense and he's leading them effectively.

Judge him by 43 points and no turnovers.

Agree with these posts. He threw several REALLY good balls into tight windows. He wasn't just throwing safe shit and playing not to lose like what I would consider to be a game manager. He made some really really good plays. And he didn't screw up much. Just because he wasn't asked throw throw it 45 times doesn't mean he's a "game manager".

Good discussion here. I think at the key positions, you have to draft well, and often. I think you can pay a guy like Houston, but you probably can't pay 2 guys like Houston. You need some young guys that can get production for cheap. Same with WR, CB, DL and maybe LT. At those key positions, you have to get cheap production to win.

[KC_Connection]

Teams win championships, not quarterbacks. In the rush to create these narratives about postseason clutchness, it seems many forget that.

Did Peyton choke yesterday? For me, no. He just got beat by a far superior team. Peyton Manning covered up for the Broncos' flaws all season until they finally ran into a defense that could handle them.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Teams win championships, not quarterbacks. In the rush to create these narratives about postseason clutchness, it seems many forget that.

Did Peyton choke yesterday? For me, no. He just got beat by a far superior team. Peyton Manning covered up for the Broncos' flaws all season until they finally ran into a defense that could handle them.

Some of those flaws are the direct result of having to fit Peyton Manning's contract into the overall team construct.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Some of those flaws are the direct result of having to fit Peyton Manning's contract into the overall team construct.

Sure, but it's not like they have any kind of an option there. Without Manning, the Broncos are essentially nothing. Just another 6-7 win team out of the playoffs.

[threebag]

[MahiMike]

You know who Wilson reminds me of? Alex Smith.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

You know who Wilson reminds me of? Alex Smith.

Sighs. Yup. Even has the every one else gets the credit attitude, the good guy charm, and the selfless soft spoken leadership qualities as well.

Much under appreciated. And Russell Wilson is extremely underrated as well.

[O.city]

It's not really that paying an elite QB is a bad thing, it's just that when you do pay him that, he has to play to that number.

Like a baseball WAR type thing. If I'm paying a guy to produce at a 4 WAR and he's producing a 2 WAR, while I'm still getting production, it's not enough to make up for the other areas where I have to be worse because I don't have the money to pay for top talent.