Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[wannaGOback]

If you want to kid yourself into thinking adding 2-3 players to the line who won’t even likely be top 10 in their position will magically fix 34-0 and having 24 yards of offense in the first 1.5quarters in the most important game in any persons life ever…be my guest. You’re in for a world of suffering due to improper expectation. This team is never climbing the mountain again with this level of OC. The game is changing every year, and we aren’t.

[Deberg_1990]

It’s shocking that this team won 15 games in hindsight.

[Kman34]

JFC… Everyone was talking about Andy’s great game plan after the Bills game and now all of a sudden he’s shit???
Teams get beat when there are better players on the other side… Even in the SB… Going to be a long offseason… SFC you spoiled bitches..

[DrunkBassGuitar]

I still have faith in Veach and Reid. It's hard to build a winner year after year when you're drafting 32, 31, 30. The NFL is designed to prevent what the Chiefs are doing.

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by Kman34

JFC… Everyone was talking about Andy’s great game plan after the Bills game and now all of a sudden he’s shit???
Teams get beat when there are better players on the other side… Even in the SB… Going to be a long offseason… SFC you spoiled bitches..

Hey mother****er, nobody is spoiled. We know what it was like before Mahomes and we know what it is going to be like after. We have 5-6 years to make the most out of this.

What in the **** about Mahomes stats in the last 2 years with Nagy on the team leads you to believe that we are making the most of our situation.

Does 0 points in the first 3 quarters of the most important game of anyone’s life feel ok to you? When our defense is playing lights out and holding the line with no sign of hope? Is that being spoiled for being absolutely disgusted by this disturbing nightmare?

Wake up before it’s over.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by wannaGOback

Hey mother****er, nobody is spoiled. We know what it was like before Mahomes and we know what it is going to be like after. We have 5-6 years to make the most out of this.

What in the **** about Mahomes stats in the last 2 years with Nagy on the team leads you to believe that we are making the most of our situation.

Does 0 points in the first 3 quarters of the most important game of anyone’s life feel ok to you? When our defense is playing lights out and holding the line with no sign of hope? Is that being spoiled for being absolutely disgusted by this disturbing nightmare?

Wake up before it’s over.

You joined exactly one year ago. Nobody cares what you think.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by wannaGOback

Hey mother****er, nobody is spoiled. We know what it was like before Mahomes and we know what it is going to be like after. We have 5-6 years to make the most out of this.

What in the **** about Mahomes stats in the last 2 years with Nagy on the team leads you to believe that we are making the most of our situation.

Does 0 points in the first 3 quarters of the most important game of anyone’s life feel ok to you? When our defense is playing lights out and holding the line with no sign of hope? Is that being spoiled for being absolutely disgusted by this disturbing nightmare?

Wake up before it’s over.

Meet me at the George Brett statue noob pussy…

[louie aguiar]

I think it’s both. Our offensive line clearly struggled last night but the game plan and execution were just as bad. They needed to establish at least a threat of a running game to keep the defense guessing. It’s difficult to block if the defenders can pin their ears back and just go after the qb every snap.

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You joined exactly one year ago. Nobody cares what you think.

You’re claiming inclusivity over a community of fat reeruns. Good for you.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by wannaGOback

You’re claiming inclusivity over a community of fat reeruns. Good for you.

So you're just a troll. At least you're honest.

[JPH83]

We were out-coached and out-played. It was both the game-plan and the personnel.

But let's put it into perspective. Reid's creativity has won us a lot of games against teams with, imo, more talented rosters but worse QBs and coaches. The Niners and the last iteration of this Eagles team for starters. I wish he ran it a little more. I wish he was more ruthless, and that he occasionally adapted quicker in-game, including in this game. But I honestly think his coaching has got us SBs no other coach would.

Which leads me to personnel. Honestly, I do think Reid and Mahomes have, at times, papered over the cracks in rosters. I don't think Veach has got it all right and that's left us vulnerable. As I said elsewhere, Roseman is the standard for roster building. But he's also made some gutsy calls. Do we win more with Hill? I doubt it given what the rest of the roster would look like. It was a big personnel call, and it was right. The 2022 draft was top draw and he's got value in others.

Overall, everyone s**t the bed. The coaches got the game wrong but were hamstrung but the shi**y LT situation Veach oversaw.

We need a VERY good offseason from Veach and probably a home-run draft. More likely it'll take a few of each to build back up, with Reid and Mahomes keeping us competing regardless.

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

And don't forget it will cause a big hit next year too, because I assure you he'll miss a minimum of six games if not 1/2 or more of the season to start.

NFL fans love to hate the successful Chiefs. The potential $$$ lost may have some influence

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by JPH83

We were out-coached and out-played. It was both the game-plan and the personnel.

But let's put it into perspective. Reid's creativity has won us a lot of games against teams with, imo, more talented rosters but worse QBs and coaches. The Niners and the last iteration of this Eagles team for starters. I wish he ran it a little more. I wish he was more ruthless, and that he occasionally adapted quicker in-game, including in this game. But I honestly think his coaching has got us SBs no other coach would.

Which leads me to personnel. Honestly, I do think Reid and Mahomes have, at times, papered over the cracks in rosters. I don't think Veach has got it all right and that's left us vulnerable. As I said elsewhere, Roseman is the standard for roster building. But he's also made some gutsy calls. Do we win more with Hill? I doubt it given what the rest of the roster would look like. It was a big personnel call, and it was right. The 2022 draft was top draw and he's got value in others.

Overall, everyone s**t the bed. The coaches got the game wrong but were hamstrung but the shi**y LT situation Veach oversaw.

We need a VERY good offseason from Veach and probably a home-run draft. More likely it'll take a few of each to build back up, with Reid and Mahomes keeping us competing regardless.

That’s a fair point. But OCs are the hot commodity in the NFL right now for a reason.

Kellen Moore, Ben Johnson, Kliff Kingsbury. These guys are clearly elevating the level of play for their team instantaneously. There’s no reason the chiefs should settle for a guy who on paper is hurting more than helping.

[Big Red]

I predicted 42-10 Eagles, no way am I a Philly anything I just saw it clear as day. When the Ravens went on a SB march they did it convincingly and manhandled their opponents. Momentum was like standing in front of loose logging truck coming down a grade, no matter who you think you are ...you're going to get blasted because nothing can stop this runaway Eagles team. I hoped it wouldn't be as embarrassing as I predicted is all. A complete team against an incomplete team, a swiss cheesed team with duct tape against finely tuned race team ...they play too many games to hold up, it's an attrition league now and unfortunately what I see now is the finality of this hyped stigma surrounding a QB who has contracted Warner Syndrome. The Raiders will be taking over now, Denver and LA 3rd now that he's weekended by second guessing his existence ...he'll never be the same unless he's traded to a favorable QB team like the Raiders with Chip Kelly, mark my words because he'll be mediocre at very best from now on. aka not elite because he's already been surpassed this last season QB wise, clearly ranking behind the pack stat wise. Reid and Kelce will retire. Spags and Nagy aren't HC material. Salary cap issues...end of this dynasty ...I wouldn't want to be the front office this off season. From now on consider this the twilight of Patrick's career like Lebron at the Lakers ...a lot of nothing to show

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Big Red

I predicted 42-10 Eagles, no way am I a Philly anything I just saw it clear as day. When the Ravens went on a SB march they did it convincingly and manhandled their opponents. Momentum was like standing in front of loose logging truck coming down a grade, no matter who you think you are ...you're going to get blasted because nothing can stop this runaway Eagles team. I hoped it wouldn't be as embarrassing as I predicted is all. A complete team against an incomplete team, a swiss cheesed team with duct tape against finely tuned race team ...they play too many games to hold up, it's an attrition league now and unfortunately what I see now is the finality of this hyped stigma surrounding a QB who has contracted Warner Syndrome. The Raiders will be taking over now, Denver and LA 3rd now that he's weekended by second guessing his existence ...he'll never be the same unless he's traded to a favorable QB team like the Raiders with Chip Kelly, mark my words because he'll be mediocre at very best from now on. aka not elite because he's already been surpassed this last season QB wise, clearly ranking behind the pack stat wise. Reid and Kelce will retire. Spags and Nagy aren't HC material. Salary cap issues...end of this dynasty ...I wouldn't want to be the front office this off season. From now on consider this the twilight of Patrick's career like Lebron at the Lakers ...a lot of nothing to show