Chiefs Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC - Page 5

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 03:22 PM

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-28-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Martz was his QB coach in DC before he went to StL as OC.

[Johnny Carson]I did not know that.[/Johnny Carson]

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-28-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I really hope Rivera is given a chance here...

Along with Singletary as DC. He'd be the 1st latin NFL HC...

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Yes, I am drawing that comparison.

People blame Williams for that season, but fail to remember that Bledsoe was his QB, and he was protected by a crappy O-Line, with a couple of injuries, and couple of high picks that never lived up to expectations.

They complain that he got conservative, and that cost them.

But he had no friggen' choice.

That conservative label was placed on Levy, and it led to that poor record in a strike shortened season.

Like Williams in Buffalo, Levy's conservative approach was dictated by terrible offensive talent.

Talk about revisionist history.

Its not like Williams inherited Bledsoe in Buffalo, he was the coach when they traded for him, so getting Bledsoe was partly his decision. Also that offensive line anchored by the high picks you allude to, well again he was the head coach when picks such as Mike Williams were made... doesn't Williams get any blame there?

And the "terrible" offensive talent you talk about... do you remember the Bills back in 2002, Williams' second season as head coach? They were one of the best offenses, especially passing offenses in the league. Bledsoe had over 4000 yards passing, etc.

Brock · 12-28-2005, 10:11 PM

Martz is a drama queen. No thanks, I've had enough of that lately.

milkman · 12-28-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Talk about revisionist history.

Its not like Williams inherited Bledsoe in Buffalo, he was the coach when they traded for him, so getting Bledsoe was partly his decision. Also that offensive line anchored by the high picks you allude to, well again he was the head coach when picks such as Mike Williams were made... doesn't Williams get any blame there?

And the "terrible" offensive talent you talk about... do you remember the Bills back in 2002, Williams' second season as head coach? They were one of the best offenses, especially passing offenses in the league. Bledsoe had over 4000 yards passing, etc.

And there it is right there.

With a healthy O-Line, Bledsoe was able to put up some numbers.

With a banged up O-Line, Bledsoe and that offense couldn't get it done.

Bledsoe was a bad decision on his part, I'll grant you.

But then there's a chance he learned something.

Spott · 12-28-2005, 10:14 PM

I will burn every piece of Chiefs memorabilia that I own if we hire this moron.

**Rausch** · 12-28-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

Darkwolfe · 12-29-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has..
Etc.. etc.

Put it down and back away from the computer. The last thing we need is that player killer.

Logical · 12-29-2005, 12:20 AM

All offense, no defense part deux

What we need a 10 year run of this before everyone figures out it won't work. It only took me to the end of 2003, hurry up you slow learners.

Ultra Peanut · 12-29-2005, 12:23 AM

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Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC

**Rausch** · 12-29-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

All offense, no defense part deux

What we need a 10 year run of this before everyone figures out it won't work. It only took me to the end of 2003, hurry up you slow learners.

I guess you forgot me screaming at the top of my lungs about how this DV hire would turn out.

It was like me, Milkman, and KCJohnny. That's about it.

**Rausch** · 12-29-2005, 12:26 AM

Logical · 12-29-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I guess you forgot me screaming at the top of my lungs about how this DV hire would turn out.

It was like me, Milkman, and KCJohnny. That's about it.

I think maybe Baby Lee was with you.

**Dave Lane** · 12-29-2005, 12:35 AM

HE ****ING SUCKS!!!!

Dave

**Rausch** · 12-29-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I think maybe Baby Lee was with you.

I'd tell you to just do a search but Kyle and Indiana are still searching for the archive-rosetta-stone in Iraq...

12-28-2005, 03:22 PM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-547094	Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC My reasoning: 1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has. 2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO. 3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green. 4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance. 5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience. 6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.
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