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Old 08-05-2007, 07:49 AM  
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This Bowe thing...
Lets face it, there is something badly wrong when a skills position player is not in camp working with a brand new QB. Somewhere these athletes are getting some bad bad advice that can and could impact their entire career.

I figure we wasted the pick at this point. No way will he even come close to adding much value to this tream this season. He has a major screup going on cause had he showed up...and if hes any good...and if croyle is half waht we hope....we would have seen some passing this season.

Now we have LJ who is a head case, old WR's or Young ones who cannot catch...The Defence would have to hold opponants to 3 pts agame for us to have a prayer.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:11 PM   #61
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How many guys actually see 2nd contracts? The average NFL players career is like 3-4 years......even if he does you never know.

Lets take Reggie Williams for example the 11th pick by the Jags a few years ago the biggest contract he will ever see is likely the first one he signed. There's a legit chance this contract will be the biggest one Bowe gets in his career.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:12 PM   #62
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I would guess that 99 percent of first-rounders see second contracts.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:15 PM   #63
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First rounders who think that they may not make it to their second contract probably won't.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:16 PM   #64
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Bowe is worth less and less to us with each passing day. Our offer should reflect that.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:16 PM   #65
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I would guess that 99 percent of first-rounders see second contracts.
Sylvester Morris.....blows out a knee, done.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:18 PM   #66
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Brady Quinn is holding out because he wants close to top 10 money after being ranked as a top 10 prospect throughout the entire offseason before the NFL draft. After a few teams passed (noticably MIA, which btw I still think it's funny they took Ted Ginn Jr. with the 8th pick.) you kinda knew that Quinn was gonna drop. In a sense Quinn has some right in demanding more money than the average #22 1st round pick, but Bowe does not. He was not ranked even in the top 20 on most boards. The slotting is there. Bowe should get paid accordingly based on what others around him got paid. When it all comes down to it, Locke works for Bowe, not the other way around.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:19 PM   #67
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Too bad there's not a clause that can't be worked into the deal that says if a player can't contribute to a team B/C he misses too much time holding out, than a % of the signuing bonus needs to be returned - or something along those lines....
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I think there are statistics that show long holdouts have a higher propensity to get injured in their first season.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:21 PM   #69
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I think there are statistics that show long holdouts have a higher propensity to get injured in their first season.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:23 PM   #70
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Brady Quinn is holding out because he wants close to top 10 money after being ranked as a top 10 prospect throughout the entire offseason before the NFL draft. After a few teams passed (noticably MIA, which btw I still think it's funny they took Ted Ginn Jr. with the 8th pick.) you kinda knew that Quinn was gonna drop. In a sense Quinn has some right in demanding more money than the average #22 1st round pick, but Bowe does not. He was not ranked even in the top 20 on most boards. The slotting is there. Bowe should get paid accordingly based on what others around him got paid. When it all comes down to it, Locke works for Bowe, not the other way around.
I agree that Locke works for Bowe, but IMO Quinn was taken at # 22, therefore he should be paid like it. It's pretty simple in my book.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:27 PM   #71
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I think there are statistics that show long holdouts have a higher propensity to get injured in their first season.
Ryan Sims.

Bowe was already knicked up earlier workouts....missing camp is almost always a bad thing for rookies, unless you're a no-brainer super star talent like Moss...

the fact we're breaking in a new QB makes it even worse....
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Sylvester Morris.....blows out a knee, done.
Still got another contract with Tampa afterwards, though. It didn't last long, and wasn't as big as he wanted, but it was a second contract. People will always take a chance on a first rounder, as long as it's not Ryan Leaf.
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I wonder if there are any studies out there that examine the career earnings of guys who get to camp on time versus guys who hold out. If there's no impact, then you would presume that guys who hold out would have higher career earnings, but I'd be willing to bet that's not the case.

Ever seen anything like that, cdcox? Anybody?

This would be a great paper to write. I wonder if we can get the data.
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I wonder if there are any studies out there that examine the career earnings of guys who get to camp on time versus guys who hold out. If there's no impact, then you would presume that guys who hold out would have higher career earnings, but I'd be willing to bet that's not the case.

Ever seen anything like that, cdcox? Anybody?

This would be a great paper to write. I wonder if we can get the data.
you'd think agents would have that kind of data....don't know how you'd get your hands on it though....
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I wonder if there are any studies out there that examine the career earnings of guys who get to camp on time versus guys who hold out. If there's no impact, then you would presume that guys who hold out would have higher career earnings, but I'd be willing to bet that's not the case.

Ever seen anything like that, cdcox? Anybody?

This would be a great paper to write. I wonder if we can get the data.
Found it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8739142
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