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Old 09-17-2008, 11:09 AM   #1
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YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE SITUATIONS.

Vermeil left the cupboard BARE for Herm. BARE.

Vermeil left Herm with an expansion team, essentially.
That's funny, that expansion team made the playoffs.

The cupboard is bare NOW. AFTER Herm has been here for 3 years.

What talent has he infused? Flowers, Dorsey, Albert, Bowe, Charles... well I'm even struggling to get to 10 players who are Herm picks who have done anything
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:05 AM   #2
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Herm had every right to remake the team in his image. He did not, however, have the right to remake the team in his image while wearing a Moe Howard Halloween mask.

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Old 09-17-2008, 11:10 AM   #3
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Claythan,

Your buddy Nick Athan predicted an 8-8 season.
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:12 AM   #4
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Claythan,

Your buddy Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan predicted an 8-8 season.
Anybody who thought this team could win 8 games must never have seen a football game in their lives
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:12 AM   #5
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Your buddy Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan predicted an 8-8 season.
He probably didn't anticipate Croyle getting hurt...
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:13 AM   #6
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He probably didn't anticipate Croyle getting hurt...
sounds like the guy is an idiot then
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:11 AM   #7
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Whatever Bob - The Chiefs have lost 11 straight and counting. That does NOT have to be part of the deal. He is not the guy for the job and neither is Peterson. Time to CLEAN HOUSE! If that happens, then the Herm hire will be woth it. In any case, afterwards the Chiefs will still be around long after Herm and Carl are gone...
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:30 AM   #8
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Herm's been captain of this crap barge for its entire voyage from the playoffs down to the sewer of the NFL. Just like the condition he left the Jets in. It's kind of funny that the Jets were also 10-6 when Herm took over, but were 4-12 when he left.

Too bad Herm couldn't leave the Chiefs when we were 4-12 last year.

It boggles the mind that people are still defending Herm like he's doing a great job or something. They aren't even losing competently. They don't look like they have little talent. They look like clowns who couldn't coach the Chiefs to a win against a peewee team.

Yippee, we're gonna lose 12 or 13 games this year! Herm is so awesome! Herm should be coach for life! Dick Curl is a QB genius! Gunther is the best defensive mind evar!
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Herm's been captain of this crap barge for its entire voyage from the playoffs down to the sewer of the NFL. Just like the condition he left the Jets in. It's kind of funny that the Jets were also 10 and 6 when Herm took over, but were 4-12 when he left.
And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.



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WHAT?

That's exactly what they look like.

Our quarterbacks suck.

Our offensive line sucks.

We have one wide receiver.

We have one linebacker.
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:36 AM   #10
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And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.
so what you are saying is Herm can take a playoff team and make them lose 12 games all by himself. I think I might agree with that.
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so what you are saying is Herm can take a playoff team and make them lose 12 games all by himself. I think I might agree with that.
Are you seriously this dense?

The 2007 Chiefs did not have the talent of the previous year's squad.
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:41 AM   #12
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Are you seriously this dense?

The 2007 Chiefs did not have the talent of the previous year's squad.
I said Herm has taken both teams he's coached from 10-6 and in the playoffs to 4-12. Then you said "well that team wasn't that bad because Mangini took them to the playoffs".

I simply repeated what you said, Herm took a playoff team and made them 4-12.

Herm sucks on gameday, but he also sucks at replacing departing talent on the team at a rate that will even keep the team on an even keel. The verdict is in, every team he coaches gets progressively worse. He blows.
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Jumping back in here, I'm not surprised to see a couple of posters have taken up Pet/Edw/Gretz' defense. I want to respond to a couple of points that have come and gone with little notice.

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I understand, but here's the problem with that.

People "supposedly" jumped on board with this rebuild in the offseason KNOWING that Herm Edwards would be the coach and that Carl Peterson would be the GM in 2008.

Now, those same people are pitching a bitch because, big surprise, Herm Edwards is the coach and Carl Peterson is the GM.
This is bullshit - but I won't say "and you know it" because it's possible the truth hasn't sunk in. In the bolded parts you speak AS IF THE FANS ALL WERE OF ONE MIND and they simply WERE NOT. Most of the posters on this board, callers to KC sports talk, commenters on the KC Star sports pages, etc., NEVER BOUGHT IN to Clark Hunt's decision to retain Peterson and Edwards, and they certainly never forfeited their right to complain about GETTING FED THE SAME OLD CRAP from this organization. At most, much of the fan base showed resigned acceptance, and many never even went that far. The drumbeats for firing Peterson and Edwards - ESPECIALLY Peterson - never stopped.

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It's damn near unprecedented for an organization to bring in a new coach from OUTSIDE the organization in the middle of a season.

- Good candidates typically aren't available, they are working for other teams in some capacity.

- Even IF a good candidate was available, why would he want a job in which he's basically auditioning for a new GM? No one is going to take a job under those circumstances
Even if you accept this argument - and I don't - there is still absolutely NO reason not to dump Peterson now. Bringing in a new GM early would actually be beneficial. He could get first hand experience with the organization including players and coaches in real time and get started on his remodelling without any rush.


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And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.
I'm really not sure how that helps your case that Edwards is a good coach. By your own account, Edwards took a team with playoff type talent and coached them to a 4-12 record. I'm a little confused.


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Our quarterbacks suck.

Our offensive line sucks.

We have one wide receiver.

We have one linebacker.
Let's agree for the moment that all the offensive players Vermeil had got old. Let's not even talk about the offense at all. Let's talk about the defense. When Edwards came in, he inherited a bad but improving defense - and he continued it's improvement through his first two years. But this is year three and it's apparent early on that the D - Herm Edwards' D - has taken a step backward. Or are you going to blame that on all the great Vermeil veterans on the Defense getting old?
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:36 PM   #14
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I'm really not sure how that helps your case that Edwards is a good coach. By your own account, Edwards took a team with playoff type talent and coached them to a 4-12 record. I'm a little confused.
The 2007 Chiefs did not have playoff talent. Don't know where you came up with that.



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But this is year three and it's apparent early on that the D - Herm Edwards' D - has taken a step backward.
I wouldn't say that. Not at all. We essentially shut the Raiders out for a half on Sunday. Six points were on Colquitt (shanked punt) and Darling (tipped ball INT). Then they wore down because the offense hung them out to dry.
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I wouldn't say that. Not at all. We essentially shut the Raiders out for a half on Sunday. Six points were on Colquitt (shanked punt) and Darling (tipped ball INT). Then they wore down because the offense hung them out to dry.
Our defense gave up 300 yards rushing, at home, to a bad offensive football team. That's bad defense any way you slice it.
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