Gunther's finger pointing has already begun...

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

I miss him already.

I know. Who are we going to make fun of. We only have Herm left! Damnit Carl and Damnit Gun! Why'd you have to make us lose the butts of all of our jokes?!?!?!

[booger]

All it proves is what we have wondered for so long. He was given to big of a voice from Carl. You take Carl, who thinks he is a "football man" but isn't and only hire coaches he can play puppet with. Gun Has always had trouble just doing his job and not going overboard. It's what got him fired as HC. He didn't trust anyone to deligate responsibilities and he was never wrong. Tim Grunhard said at that time it was always me me me out of Gun's mouth.

That's why when he came back from the titans he said he was bored with just being a LB coach there.

I hope Schwartz has a shock collar and extra batteries for the remote because he sure will need them. He better get Marty on speed dial if he wants to learn how to control that fools ego.

All that says or proves is that Carl and Herm have no business trying to manage a coaching staff, which is part of the job of the GM and HC.

Looks like Pioli has his mind made up on the D anyway. Gun and Gibbs are gone. Only krumrie, Michael Ketchum( a DA who was a Grad Ass. under Ferentz) and Daron Roberts(low level DA/quality control) remain. With Gun leaving the LB coach leaves as well.

It will be interesting what happens with Gailey and the O next. He brought in D'Allesandres and Modkins from GTech for their first NFL coaching jobs. Bicknell and Curl had college and only NFL europe exp. from the pro level. Price and Embree only have their pro experience under Herm as well. So you could say Gailey is the only guy who other teams actually "know" about without talking with Herm.

So special teams and D are done(krumrie probably goes anytime now) and let's see what happens on O. If that's the way it is I bet they are letting Herm sit around to stew to see if he resigns, which is doubtful

[booger]

That old crazy bastard Al Davis knew what he was doing demoting that egomaniac to DLcoach before he first came here.

[CoMoChief]

What he's saying is true. Our defense the last year JA was here was the best defense we've had since like 2001.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

The reality is that Gunther is a team guy, a loyal guy. He is now free to answer things honestly.

It would be hard to sell the players on Herm's defense if he is publicly bashing it.

Herm and Gunther like each other, they just have different opinions. The defense was a little bit of both of their styles and in the end, it had no identity and it failed.

[TimeForWasp]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The reality is that Gunther is a team guy, a loyal guy. He is now free to answer things honestly.

It would be hard to sell the players on Herm's defense if he is publicly bashing it.

Herm and Gunther like each other, they just have different opinions. The defense was a little bit of both of their styles and in the end, it had no identity and it failed.

plus you are all throwing Gun under the bus. We Know gun. We know what kind of a defense He can run. Herm came in and totally ruined this team. He took the no 1 offence and made it a piece of shit . Saying we scored too fast ( WTF) said the defense gets tired. I don't get it. If there is one coach in this bunch that we all should know , it's Gun. Don't shit on Gun. Jerks

[Red Dawg]

Gun knows defense but he has to have premium talent to run his style of defense.

We need a DC that can teach because Gun can't apparently. Our defense was just as bad at the end of the year as it was at the start. That means the staff taught our guys nothing.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Gun knows defense but he has to have premium talent to run his style of defense.

We need a DC that can teach because Gun can't apparently. Our defense was just as bad at the end of the year as it was at the start. That means the staff taught our guys nothing.

Name one defense that doesn't have to have premium talent to be good

Im really ****in sick n tired of hearing this over and over and over again.
"Gun has to have probowlers to run his type of scheme blah blah blah"
Thats the most reeruned shit I've ever heard.


ON OFFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL
ON DEFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL

The last good player we had one defense since JA was DT, and we traded JA away, great move there. That couldnt have blown up in our faces anymore than it did as we set the record for fewest sacks in NFL history as JA outsacked the entire ****in team, had more safeties, prob had just around the amount of same neg yard plays. The only good thing about the defense last season was the development of the young secondary. THATS IT.

The reason why our offense was so good under DV AS is because he had one of the best OLines in recent memory in the NFL, 4/5 players on the starting Oline were Pro Bowlers. If you have a good Oline, you can have a good offense with a couple playmakers here and there.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Name one defense that doesn't have to have premium talent to be good

Im really ****in sick n tired of hearing this over and over and over again.

ON OFFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL
ON DEFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL

Do you think the Cardinals defense is really good? If they hadn't made it through the wildcard game would you honestly think they had a lot of talent?

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you think the Cardinals defense is really good? If they hadn't made it through the wildcard game would you honestly think they had a lot of talent?

They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL



WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL



WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

I believe that Rolle is their FS......so that gives them a damn good set of safeties to work with.

That does happen when you're picking Top 10 for a long time though.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL



WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

LaBoy is also really good, he's just hurt. And dirty looking.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you think the Cardinals defense is really good? If they hadn't made it through the wildcard game would you honestly think they had a lot of talent?

Yes. I try not to be ignorant of other teams. That team has some really awesome ****ing players.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Name one defense that doesn't have to have premium talent to be good

Im really ****in sick n tired of hearing this over and over and over again.
"Gun has to have probowlers to run his type of scheme blah blah blah"
Thats the most reeruned shit I've ever heard.


ON OFFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL
ON DEFENSE: YOU NEED GOOD PLAYERS TO BE SUCESSFUL

The last good player we had one defense since JA was DT, and we traded JA away, great move there. That couldnt have blown up in our faces anymore than it did as we set the record for fewest sacks in NFL history as JA outsacked the entire ****in team, had more safeties, prob had just around the amount of same neg yard plays. The only good thing about the defense last season was the development of the young secondary. THATS IT.

The reason why our offense was so good under DV AS is because he had one of the best OLines in recent memory in the NFL, 4/5 players on the starting Oline were Pro Bowlers. If you have a good Oline, you can have a good offense with a couple playmakers here and there.

That's a fine line. Everyone in the NFL has talent. That's why "on any given sunday" holds true, unless you're the Detroit Lions. The key is to put your talent in a position to be successful, or bring in talent that will help you be successful. Gunther was unable to do either. He had five years of drafts where he was unable to develop anyone of note. In fact, one prime example is Kawika Mitchell, who blossomed once he got away from Gunther. I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ become an all pro now that Gunther is gone. In terms of bringing in talent, it was famously proclaimed by Gunther himself that he personally went to Carl Peterson and gave him a list of players to go get him and Carl delivered on what he wanted. He promised that Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight and co would turn this defense around, provide the leadership, etc. We still sucked. So to me, across the board, under two totally different head coaches, with two different assistant coaching staffs under him, he failed, and failed spectacularly...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

That's a fine line. Everyone in the NFL has talent. That's why "on any given sunday" holds true, unless you're the Detroit Lions. The key is to put your talent in a position to be successful, or bring in talent that will help you be successful. Gunther was unable to do either. He had five years of drafts where he was unable to develop anyone of note. In fact, one prime example is Kawika Mitchell, who blossomed once he got away from Gunther. I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ become an all pro now that Gunther is gone. In terms of bringing in talent, it was famously proclaimed by Gunther himself that he personally went to Carl Peterson and gave him a list of players to go get him and Carl delivered on what he wanted. He promised that Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight and co would turn this defense around, provide the leadership, etc. We still sucked. So to me, across the board, under two totally different head coaches, with two different assistant coaching staffs under him, he failed, and failed spectacularly...

This.