Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future

[RedThat]

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by RedThat

thank you.

This is an example of what Im talking about? You got two players who are arguably better then Mr. junk Niswanger. And they resigned Niswanger? Why?

Oh wait I have the answer. Because it's right! Yes sir it is!!

Arguably? You're shitting your pants over *arguably*? I'm pretty sure both of those guys are old as hell too.

[Simplex3]

"Let's build a team via free agency and pay out the nose! We'll win the Super Bowl every year!"

Signed, Daniel Snyder.

[Shag]

Originally Posted by RedThat

thank you.

This is an example of what Im talking about? You got two players who are arguably better then Mr. junk Niswanger. And they resigned Niswanger? Why?

Oh wait I have the answer. Because it's right! Yes sir it is!!

Newberry retired, and it's doubtful Birk would have come to KC unless you paid him huge money - he's on his last contract, and wanted to play for a winner.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Shag

Newberry retired, and it's doubtful Birk would have come to KC unless you paid him huge money - he's on his last contract, and wanted to play for a winner.

No, no, they would have BOTH come here and we'd be winning now if they had.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Arguably? You're shitting your pants over *arguably*? I'm pretty sure both of those guys are old as hell too.

Do you watch Niswanger play? He's ****ing terrible.

Im trying to prove a point. They're cleary better then Niswanger. I'd rather have Matt birk then Niswanger. And Im sure 90% of the critics and the people around the league would too.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

"Let's build a team via free agency and pay out the nose! We'll win the Super Bowl every year!"

Signed, Daniel Snyder.

So what's the next solution? draft?

[Spott]

It's kind of hard to be disappointed when you don't have any expectations.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Brock

I don't mind if you do. I just don't think the thread starter can. After you do, I'm sure he'll quote your post and say "this" or something equally unoriginal.

Originally Posted by RedThat

thank you.

This is an example of what Im talking about? You got two players who are arguably better then Mr. junk Niswanger. And they resigned Niswanger? Why?

Oh wait I have the answer. Because it's right! Yes sir it is!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Brock

I don't mind if you do. I just don't think the thread starter can. After you do, I'm sure he'll quote your post and say "this" or something equally unoriginal.

I wouldn't have been all that active in free agency. I wouldn't have switched to a 3-4, so there was no need to sign Canty or Olshansky, although those would have been solid moves given our switch.

Obviously, I would have drafted Sanchez in the first. Looking back, I thought that Mauluga was the best value at 34 at the time of the draft, but I was really high on Max Unger.

1: Sanchez
2: Unger
3: Jarron Gilbert (probably have him take Hali's spot at LDE)
4: Sidbury
5: Robinson
6: Coye Francies (really liked him)
7a: AQ Shipley
7b: (No O'Connell Trade): Darry Beckwith

I was of the mindset that if we were going to draft a rookie QB, I wouldn't trade Tony, because I'd use him as a safety valve after inserting the rookie post-bye week.

Our LB corps would still suck, but that was a pretty bad class for LB depth, IMO.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Do you watch Niswanger play? He's ****ing terrible.

Im trying to prove a point. They're cleary better then Niswanger. I'd rather have Matt birk then Niswanger. And Im sure 90% of the critics and the people around the league would too.

So your solution is to dramatically overpay for a guy you'll get two or three years out of, maybe only one of them any good. Hell, how many guys have you seen sign a fat-ass final contract and then just ride it out instead of trying to be great?

If the salary cap didn't exist and didn't age your plan is great.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by RedThat

So what's the next solution? draft?

Yes, if you want to win in the NFL you got to draft your roster. I'm more pissed off by the shitty draft than them not signing any players. Hell Indy, San Diego, and Pittsburgh hardly ever use free agency. And they are in markets similar to ours.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by RedThat

So what's the next solution? draft?

You draft your stars. You bring in free agents to fill holes. On rare occasion a good free agent goes cheap and you take them. It isn't rocket science. Indy does it, NE does it, Green Bay does it...

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I wouldn't have been all that active in free agency. I wouldn't have switched to a 3-4, so there was no need to sign Canty or Olshansky, although those would have been solid moves given our switch.

Obviously, I would have drafted Sanchez in the first. Looking back, I thought that Mauluga was the best value at 34 at the time of the draft, but I was really high on Max Unger.

1: Sanchez
2: Unger
3: Jarron Gilbert (probably have him take Hali's spot at LDE)
4: Sidbury
5: Robinson
6: Coye Francies (really liked him)
7a: AQ Shipley
7b: (No O'Connell Trade): Darry Beckwith

I was of the mindset that if we were going to draft a rookie QB, I wouldn't trade Tony, because I'd use him as a safety valve after inserting the rookie post-bye week.

Our LB corps would still suck, but that was a pretty bad class for LB depth, IMO.

I'd have been fine with this approach too. But the Chiefs would still suck this year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I'd have been fine with this approach too. But the Chiefs would still suck this year.

There is no ****ing doubt about that. But it would be a young foundation, IMO.

Honestly, they'd probably be a 2-4 win team if they stayed with Tony, groomed a new QB to put in after the bye, and stayed in the 4-3. That probably puts them in the Carlos Dunlap/Taylor Mays/Eric Berry wheelhouse.

You get any one of those three and team them with a few new LBs, and I think you have a damn good defense.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

So your solution is to dramatically overpay for a guy you'll get two or three years out of, maybe only one of them any good. Hell, how many guys have you seen sign a fat-ass final contract and then just ride it out instead of trying to be great?

If the salary cap didn't exist and didn't age your plan is great.

Your right. Ive seen it various times, but that shouldn't neglect FA?

FA is there for a purpose to try to help you build a good football team. Im not saying they have to dramatically over pay for a guy? Well, really what I should say, is, when you have a guy like Birk who's available on the market, he is going to demand a lot of coin.

But that how FA has evolved nowadays. The economical aspect of paying for players is outrageous. when good players are available, you're gonna have to pay for what you get. I believe that. If you want to constantly try to bargain and find a "gem" how often does it happen where you see a guy whom you pay "cheap" and he turns out to be a star? When that happens, great. But, you can't be totally dependent on those type of situations as the Chiefs are.

If you want to sign vets, get a good vets in here. I don't disagree with that. You sign him to a 3 or 4 year contract whatever, and draft a young guy at his position. Is it better to learn from Ray Lewis or Mike Vrabel? Is it better to learn from Mike Goff or Matt Birk? There is a difference.