Cool F15 dogfight video

[srvy]

I dont know if there has been a modern day jet fighter dogfight since VN but this is apparently what it would look like.
Added plus the music isn't Danger Zone TG.

[Coyote]

Originally Posted by Cheater5

Col John Boyd, the father of the F15, F16 and to an extent the F18. An incredible man who was influential to three generations of military officers, and at the highest echelons of our government. And you may have never heard of him...

If we had a few more people a little like him, we wouldn't have dogs like the F35.

Sort of. All of those are 3rd or 4th Gen aircraft and the Raptor (a 5th Gen stealthy thinking connected predator) and Lightning II are their replacements of course. So it’s just time to move on but it doesn’t make the Eagle less cool-just old. Hell I still love my A-4M but its day ended in the last century. The basic problem with the film is that it shows a post merge hassle (last century air visual air to air) and an Eagle vs. Raptor or in many cases Lightning II has no merge fight to film. Eagles simply fall from the sky and never get to apply any of Boyd’s Ps E-M concepts as they literally don’t know what hit them- doesn’t make for a great you tube. However, Eagles have been continually upgraded to where their guts are nowhere near what the originals were. Great airplane. Same design generation Tomcats by comparison did not get the continual EW suite upgrades and they’re long gone.
ROE however is evolving but since Vietnam it has required a positive Visual ID for weapons release—directly contrary to stealth 5th Gen aircraft design so the merge still matters and that is the 5th Gen design compromises. Boyd, Christie and their acolytes had very limited awareness of stealth and data link or how processors and tactics are changing radar engagements (interesting film from the Black Sea last year with a pair of SU-27s “blinding” an AEGIS destroyer last year-shouldn’t happen from a wattage and radar principle perspective but did due to processors and tactics added to 4th Gen non- stealthy aircraft), so difficult to say what Boyd would have thought of these concepts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_Mafia
I’m a big fan of Boyd’s and in particular his OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop for all engagements and Ps /E-M work and taught it for years in my youth as an ACTI and required it’s foundational understanding for all in my commands. His OODA loop or “looping” your opponent’s decision cycle, on a larger scale, is fundamental to maneuver vs. attrition warfare and command philosophies (Mission Command, etc.) In the 1980s this was a debate. Today it is fundamental and can trace a line in part back to Boyd’s OODA loop. The 1989 USMC warfighting philosophy is attached if you’re bored. http://www.theusmarines.com/downloads/FMFM1/FMFM1-1.pdf
Ref note 20 is to Boyd’s theory.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Never did see it in a hangar. I arrived literally as it was leaving. Heard the same thing about what a nightmare it was to maintain, though.

On a similar note, my second base in Wichita at McConnell (from Okinawa to Wichita, KS. ) housed the B-1 bomber. That thing was a piece of shit on the ground. They had to hook hoses in a number of places to the wings to collect all the hydraulic fluid that would leak/gush out while it was grounded. Everybody hated them, lol.

Stumbled onto this this morning:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...lso-1719654907

Uh...oops.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Stumbled onto this this morning:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...lso-1719654907

Uh...oops.

, awesome. Nice find!

I'd imagine something like that would cause an unplanned mud dump in your shorts, haha

[notorious]

The F-15 is a beauty, but this is my favorite looking aircraft:





Looks at the curves........

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by notorious

The F-15 is a beauty, but this is my favorite looking aircraft:





Looks at the curves........

[DJ's left nut]

That's an SU-35, yes?

I still think they got their hands an F-15 schematics for that one.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's an SU-35, yes?

I still think they got their hands an F-15 schematics for that one.

No clue, just thought it was funny when I Bing-Imaged it.. LOL

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's an SU-35, yes?

I still think they got their hands an F-15 schematics for that one.

27. 35 has the funky canards.


It's basically an F-15, 14, 16, and 18 on steroids without the amazing avionics.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Posting a photo of the 2014 Indy playoff game is off topic.

[Donger]

"Thunderbirds are g... Eject! Eject! Eject!"

[Bowser]

Speaking of an F-16...

The F-35, touted as the jet of the future, has just run into perhaps its single most damning issue yet — the jet cannot effectively dogfight against the older jets it is meant to replace.

According to a brief written by an F-35 pilot and obtained by David Axe at War is Boring, the new jet was "at a distinct energy disadvantage" compared to a rival F-16 during a mock dogfight.

During a dogfight, planes make use of kinetic and potential energy to effectively carry out maneuvers — a plane with less energy is less capable of fighting well and would find itself at a distinct disadvantage against faster and nimbler opponents.

In this case, the most expensive weapons system ever was engaging in a mock battle with an F-16, one of the planes that the F-35 is intended to replace. Yet, according to War is Boring, the F-35 pilot found it nearly impossible to engage the F-16.

“There were not compelling reasons to fight in this region," the pilot noted. The turning rate of the F-35 was simply too slow to catch up with the nimbler F-16. Consequently, the F-35 also was incapable of adequately maneuvering out of the way of an F-16 attack.

The F-35's incapability to overcome an F-16 in a dogfight, a plane that was first introduced into service in 1978, does not bode well as the F-35 may also have to deal with not just legacy aircraft but also other fifth-generation aircraft in the skies.

Both Russia and China are far into the development of their own versions of next-generation fighters.

Bill Sweetman of Aviation Week notes that the Russian T-50 fifth-generation fighter has better roll and yaw control compared to both the American F-22 and the F-35.

The T-50 is also designed to have extreme maneuverability at both supersonic and subsonic speeds. It is thought that the T-50 could outperform both the F-35 and the F-22 in this regard. Likewise, the T-50 can maintain a super cruising speed of approximately Mach 1.8, matching the F-22 and surpassing the F-35.

Likewise, an unnamed senior US fighter pilot told USNI News that he thinks the Chinese J-31 could be on par with the F-35 "because industrial espionage is alive and well." The J-31 is about the same size as the F-35 but has smaller engines and a flatter fuselage, implying a focus on air-to-air combat, in which it could outmatch the more sluggish F-35.

Ultimately, the F-35 may never need to participate in air-to-air battles. The aircraft is stealth and may be fortunate enough to be able to engage in battles without being concerned over the possibility of aerial dogfights.

However, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jon Greenert may not be so sure.

"Stealth may be overrated," Greenert said during a speech in February.

If that turns out to be the case, then the F-35's energy disadvantage could become a crucial factor in future aerial conflicts.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-...#ixzz3glzG30Oe

[Saulbadguy]

Decals were really hard to put on model airplanes without ripping.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

su-35 and mig-29

[Demonpenz]

I mean the post before are two different birds.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by notorious

Posting a photo of the 2014 Indy playoff game is off topic.