Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 50

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 02-04-2013, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I know there's some talent in the middle of the lineup....but the Royals haven't had a 30HR hitter since Jermaine Dye.....that's ****ing sad.....but now we're going to possibly have 3 of them, and 2 others w/ at least 25?

ok

....Our Time

Individual best case scenarios for each player, followed by individual worst case scenarios.

**gblowfish** · 02-04-2013, 02:16 PM

Oooh...another slogan idea:
"Free Crap for the first 20,000 only!"

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 02:21 PM

Seriously, no one remembers the Catch Royal Mania jingle? No one? blowfish, you're old, you have to!

TLO · 02-04-2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So... I'm bored and procrastinating before a conference call. Which means... it's time for best case/worst case projections courtesy of yours truly.

Note: I'm not going to project things like Ws or Ss or Ls for a pitcher, or RBIs/Rs for a hitter. Too much chance/variance. Best-case listed on line 1. Worst-case on line 2.

SP1 - James Shields: 3.45 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP/
4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP
SP2 - Jeremy Guthrie: 3.90 ERA/1.22 WHIP/6.0 K/9/205 IP
5.00 ERA/1.35 WHIP/5 K/9/175 IP/
SP3 - Ervin Santana: 3.50 ERA/1.25 WHIP/7.2 K/9/200 IP
5.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/ 6 K/9/165 IP
SP 4 - Wade Davis: 3.50 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.0 K/9/200 IP
4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/6 K/9/175 IP/
SP5 - Luke Ho... FOR SOME REASON MY KEYBOARD STOPPED WORKING

LF - Alex Gordon: .320/.390 OBP/.515 SLG/25 HR/45 2B/15 SB
.275/.335/.425 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/10 SB

SS - Alcides Escobar: .300/.340 OBP/.425 SLG/8 HR/40 2B/40 SB
.265/.300 OBP/.375 SLG/5 HR/30 2B/25 SB

1B - Eric Hosmer: .300/.350/.525 SLG/35 HR/35 2B/15 SB
.250/.300/.425/15 HR/30 2B/5 SB

DH - Billy Butler: .330/.390 OBP/.525 SLG/35 HR/45 2B/0 SB
.300/.360/.475 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/0 SB

3B - Mike Moustakas: 280/.320/.475 SLG/30 HR/40 2B/5 SB
.250/.280/.425/20 HR/30 2B/0 SB

C - Sal Perez: .320/.350 OBP/.500 SLG/25 HR/35 2B/2 SB
.260/.290/.425/15 HR/30 2B

CF - Lorenzo Cain: .290/.330 OBP/.450 SLG/20 HR/35 2B/25 SB
.260/.300 OBP/.400 SLG/15 HR/25 2B/15 SB

RF - JefF Francoeur: .280/.310 OBP/.450 SLG/25 HR/40 2B/15 SB
THE WORST EVER ... AGAIN

2B - Chris Getz: .275/.325 OBP/.350 SLG/1 HR/30 2B/30 SB
.250/.280 OBP/.325 SLG/0 HR/25 2B/10 SB

Overall, I think the offense performs better and the pitching performs better. They max out around 85 wins unless something really astonishing happens. Good enough to get them into wild card contention but not enough to make it.

This really should have been a team that was 3-6 wins better than its record in 2012. I'm figuring that in as well as 6-8 wins from young players progressing/getting better and better starting pitching.

If the Royals luck swings 3-6 wins in the positive direction in 2013 (which is much less luck than, say, Baltimore had in 2012), they could sneak into a playoff spot/wildcard spot.

Hoch, Frenchy, and ideally Getz would be replaced- But on paper that looks like a pretty decent team.

**gblowfish** · 02-04-2013, 03:02 PM

If the PR Wanks are going to manipulate you in 2013, you might as well know the details. See attached pdf.

OOOH....another slogan idea:

Royals: Paper or plastic?

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-04-2013, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

Seriously, no one remembers the Catch Royal Mania jingle? No one? blowfish, you're old, you have to!

I vaguely remember that.

Do you remember: Your cheering the Royals and glad that you come, when you go *clap* *clap* for the action

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-04-2013, 03:34 PM

Jingle : Royals baseball, TV4 Turn on the action!

**gblowfish** · 02-04-2013, 04:36 PM

How about "Your Defending Cactus League Champion Kansas City Royals!"

duncan_idaho · 02-04-2013, 04:39 PM

Anyone remember the word from Spring Training 2011?

"The best team in spring training? The 2013 Kansas City Royals."

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Jingle : Royals baseball, TV4 Turn on the action!

I vaguely remember yours too. For some reason that Damn "Catch Royal Mania" song has stuck in my head all these years.

Royals baseball is brought to you by... Commerce Bank, Commerce Bank wants to come through, by Hamms Beer, Hamms... the beer refreshing, and by Guy's snacks and Guys nuts... pick up some Guys snacks and Guys nuts today.............. for our producer/engineer Ed Shepard and Fred White... I'm Denny Matthews saying good night from Royals Stadium where tonight the Royals beat the Milwaukee Brewers by a final of 4-2.....

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Anyone remember the word from Spring Training 2011?

"The best team in spring training? The 2013 Kansas City Royals."

Of course. I also remember Tony Pena saying we might have the best pitching staff in baseball during spring of his first year.

Ugh.

Three7s · 02-04-2013, 05:34 PM

Come to play?

Did a 5-year old think of this slogan?

Sure-Oz · 02-04-2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Prospect News:

Royals come in at No. 11 in Keith Law's organizational rankings, released today.

It's on ESPN/Insider if you have access to that.

No doubt in my mind it would still be a top 5 org if Myers/Odorizzi were still in KC.

He also is high on the upside/helium of a lot of the guys that have potential for big breakouts with a good 2013 season (Calixte/Bonifacio/Cuthbert/Mondesi/Selman, etc.)

Who's the #1 prospect now? Starling?

duncan_idaho · 02-04-2013, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Who's the #1 prospect now? Starling?

Yeah, it would be Bubba, though I actually think Zimmer is the best combo of high upside/high floor.

He doesn't have absolute superstar potential like Starling, who has the tools to basically be Matt Kemp with more speed, but Zimmer is likely to be at least a No. 5 starter. Starling's floor is of a guy who never makes it past AA.

BlackHelicopters · 02-04-2013, 06:05 PM

I look forward to every season. What is my diagnosis?

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-89692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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