Opinions on Ashcroft?

[Frazod]

I just watched a piece on the news about the coming battle over Ashcroft's nomination as AG. The Demonrats are breaking out the torches and pitchforks over this one.

Outside of the basics (anti-affirmative action, anti-abortion, etc.), I don't know much about him - I haven't lived in Missouri since '84. The liberal press paints him as a monster, but I'm curious to hear other opinions.

[Raiderhater]

Fraz,
your conclusions, IMNSHO, are right on the money. Glad to see you come down on the right side of this.:D

Mark,
Of course I don't think your some devil worshiper. And as for not finding a religion that your at peace with, perhaps some time you would allow me to talk to you about my God. I am sure you have probaly had this before, but you can't blame for trying.:)

[Frazod]

Thanks for the vote of support, RH.

I think Ashcroft will do just fine, although I doubt if he's half the man Reno is... :D

[Raiderhater]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by frazod [/i]
[B]Thanks for the vote of support, RH.

I think Ashcroft will do just fine, although I doubt if he's half the man Reno is... :D [/B][/QUOTE]

LMAO! That is a good one Fraz.

[Mark M]

rh--
I will have to respectfully decline your offer. And no, I can't blame you for trying ... I actually respect you all the more for it. Unfortuantely, there isn't one thing that you or anyone else can say to me that will change the history, inconsistencies or hyprocrisy I've learned or have seen in Christianity. It is great for some people ... just not for me. But thanks anyway! :D

fraz--
ROTFLMAO!! That was too damn funny!

MM
~~Hoping for the best out of Ashcroft.

[47mack]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mark M [/i]
[B]47--
I never said that I played soccer with his son. Out of curiosity, where did you get that idea? :confused:

For those that are interested in some of his decisions, check this site out. This gives his general record: [url]http://www.opposeashcroft.com/facts/all.phtml[/url].

Here is one on his civil rights record: [url]http://www.opposeashcroft.com/facts/civil.phtml[/url]

And here is his 1st ammendment and religious record: [url]http://www.opposeashcroft.com/facts/first.phtml[/url]

I know this is a leftist site, but it does state the facts.

I'm still not sure about the guy. I watched some footage of his hearing and he seemed like he would do a good job, even saying he would look at the law (my main point). But I ask this: If he is so strong in his religious beliefs, how can he just throw them aside and say he'll support such things as [i]Roe v. Wade[/i]? Either he's full of it, or his convictions aren't that strong.

MM
~~Hoping that, if elected, Ashcroft doesn't start speaking in tongues.


[Edited by Mark M on 01-17-2001 at 07:24 AM] [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.

[Raiderhater]

"Unfortuantely, there isn't one thing that you or anyone else can say to me that will change the history, inconsistencies or hyprocrisy I've learned or have seen in Christianity."

Mark,
like what kind of inconsistencies and hypocrrisies? People always say this, and I don't know what they are talking about.

[KCWolfman]

Hader - Actually, I loved his response to Ted Kennedy yesterday (Did I say Ted? Wow, there is the backbone of the dem party making sure that the other guy is honest)

*Ashcroft is rudely interrupted by Mr. Chappaquidick himself so he replies to Teddie boy*
"Mr. Senator, It takes more time to answer the accusations than it does to make them up".

Asking Ted to be sure that someone will be upstanding is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer to keep an eye on the morgue and make sure nothing bad happens.

[Raiderhater]

Wolfman,
I hadn't heard that one. That is good. I love it when people stand up to dems. It happens so often, and when it does they usaully get flustered and don't know how to handle it. Did you by chance hear Sen. John Kyle of AZ stand up to ole' Teddy?

[Raiderhater]

"Asking Ted to be sure that someone will be upstanding is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer to keep an eye on the morgue and make sure nothing bad happens."

Wolfman,
unless it is a Republican, then he will do a fine job.:mad:

[Frazod]

Ashcroft should have added: "It takes less time for me to respond to your allegations than it does for you to open a lady's car door, Senator Kennedy."

What a piece of shit.

I wonder what weighs more - an engine block or Ted's head?

[Raiderhater]

LOL Fraz! See, you are such a natural at this.:)

[Frazod]

Oh, stop it. I'll get a swelled head.... much like the Senator from Massachusetts :D

[Raiderhater]

Heh heh heh
Oh no, we can't have that now can we! OK, I'll let it rest for now (but I will be back).:)

[Mark M]

raiderhader--
This will be in three parts.
Part 1:
The Bible is full of inconsistencies in translation and messge. (I'm in a hurry, so I apologize for any mispelengz.) :D
Examples of inconsistent translation: [b]1.[/b] You have Adam and Eve (2 people), who begat Cain and Able (that makes 4). Cain kills Able (that makes 3) and then takes a wife. (Um, where the hell did she come from?) The original text doesn't read as "Adam and Eve" as singular, but plural "Men and Women." [b]2.[/b] The "Red Sea" that Moses split is wrongly translated. It should be "Sea of Reeds" which is totally different.

These are the two that I can bring up quickly (I have more, but not the time right now. Sorry.) I realize that these are in the old testament, but that's what the New Testament is based on. If they can't get the original correct, why should I believe the new one? They distorted it to fit their needs.

cont'd


[Edited by Mark M on 01-19-2001 at 08:52 AM]

[Mark M]

Part 2: Hypocrisy
Christianity is supposed to be forgiving and a religion for the "meek." If so, why does the Catholic church horde gold? Why do we have ministers on TV saying that they will die if they don't get millions in the next week? Why do they build churches with such ostentation that they have to pass around the plate at the end?

Part 3: History
Divine Right doctrine was responsible for the death of millions of native peoples. The Inquistion killed thousands. The Crusades started problems which are still around today. And the time in which the Bible was written must also be taken into account. The Roman Empire was in full swing and, when Christianity started, they went against everything Roman. Homosexuality, praying to multiple gods, etc. It was a reaction against the status quo.

I wish I had more time to go into this, and I wish my computer would allow me to enter the Chat room so we could discuss this in a more apporpriate forum.

I respect your beliefs, and I hope you respect mine. Trying to convert me is a lost effort ... my grandmother tried it, my mother-in-law tried it and I have a co-worker who tries it every day. I guess I've had too many history classes. And, to be honest, my wife could really tell you a thing or two about it. She has a degree in Classical Antiquities and is staunchly atheist, even though she went to a private Christian school ... until they asked her to leave because she kept asking questions they (the teachers) couldn't answer.

MM
~~Glad he types fast. He has work to do!