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Old 09-05-2007, 07:16 AM   #1
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He seriously needs to stop talking, 21 points is alot??? wtf
Of course it's a lot! That is SEVEN field goals!
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:51 AM   #2
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Geezus, we have a reerun for head coach. Pathetic.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:23 PM   #3
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This just makes me think of that thread about "you KNEEL to win the game" where if you kneel down to stop the clock at least two times in the game your odds of winning are HUGE. (sigh)
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:27 PM   #4
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9 safetys and a field goal gents...that's what Chiefs football is all about.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:29 PM   #5
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That transcript isn't complete.

"That's when you score every time you get the football, you score. We're talking about real football. 21 points is a lot of points."
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:31 PM   #6
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"That's when you score every time you get the football, you score. We're talking about real football. 21 points is a lot of points."
It's a competition. You score as many points as you can muster. If you believe that it's better to score points and control the clock by running instead of passing, that's fine. If you think that scoring a TD on at least every third posession (or once a quarter) is excessive, you're a douche.

To win a football game you need to look at the averages. You should AVERAGE more than 20 points per game, and hold opponents under 20 points per game.

When you score 20 or more, you should win unless your defense sucks.

Your GOAL should be to score at LEAST 21 points per game. At LEAST.

Even with a good defense, saying '21 is a lot of points' is why Herm will never coach a dominant team. Ever.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:51 PM   #7
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I have no problem with a defensive-minded coach.

I do have a problem with a coach who believes that one side of the ball is overwhelmingly more important than the other.

That was Vermeil's problem, and it's Herm's too. Just because Herm happens to align with a popular axiom (D wins) doesn't make it any less of a ridiculous philosophy.

For those who really buy into this Kool-Aid, I have a question?
How did Buddy Ryan's teams do?, what about Dom Capers? Dick LeBeau?

Obviously, many defensive-minded coaches have done really, really well, but assuming that they did well because they focused only on defense is a ridiculous jump.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:54 PM   #8
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I do have a problem with a coach who believes that one side of the ball is overwhelmingly more important than the other.

That was Vermeil's problem, and it's Herm's too.
I couldn't disagree more.

In two years, Herm has spent eight of 14 picks on the offense.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:00 PM   #9
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I couldn't disagree more.

In two years, Herm has spent eight of 14 picks on the offense.
Doesn't mean shit. It doesn't matter how many picks you picked on the offense. It's his coaching mentality that's all f**ked up straight to hell.

21 points is not a comfortable lead. A good/great QB will eat you alive with this mentality.

If your not up by 21 points, then you keep throwing the ball. A three touchdown lead is not something to give up on. No wonder we crushed him by 50 some odd points when he was with NY. Every time I try to give the idiot the benefit of the doubt, you can always find one of these quotes. Manning threw three touchdowns in a two minute drill. I have seen Trent throw 2 TD's in his two minute drill.

See this quote for what it is. Basically he is saying he has no idea how to manage a goddamn clock.

Whoopie-f**king-do. It's something we already know. This explains the last issue I had with his game managment. I have gone over the fact Herm refuses to throw past five yards, I have talked about how the mass amounts of carries that allows teams to creep their safeties in the box. We have talked about the timid behavior that keeps us from first downs. But he shoots for his 21 points in a game and ten wins in a season.


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I shoot to win ten games. Then your in the Playoff hunt.
Way to make a winner Herman "Dumbass" Edwards.

Wildcards don't typically win Super Bowls. This proves Herm is not trying to make it to the SB. His goal is to make the playoffs every year in hopes that it keeps his job like it did for Marty for ten years. This attitude makes me sick as a fan, since it's our money that goes into paying this asshat. Not to mention the fourth round pick for a 2-14 coach, with a loosing record, and I forgot to mention that he is the only coach in the ENTIRE NFL, with a clock managment coach. So why does the clock management still suck?

Oh right, I have a good idea. Let's fire Terry Shea and let our clock manager be our QB coach. Then lets build a QB competion with a third round pick and a journeyman, and send our Pro Bowler to Miami to be with his QB coach. But lets make sure there is no stability behind that offensive line, to be competitive.

How Herm has taken this decent offensive philosophy and f***'ed it up so bad, I have no clue. I want more points than the other team, no matter how many it takes. I want to win every game whether it's reasonable or not. This is the mentality a coach should have.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:02 AM   #10
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How Herm has taken this decent offensive philosophy and f***'ed it up so bad, I have no clue. I want more points than the other team, no matter how many it takes. I want to win every game whether it's reasonable or not. This is the mentality a coach should have.
Now THIS makes sense.

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Old 09-04-2007, 05:54 PM   #11
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Edwards should never tampered with this offense.
Why wouldn't you want to have both?
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:56 PM   #12
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Edwards should never tampered with this offense.
Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:00 PM   #13
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Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.
Dude, you're wasting your time.

People will never see it that way, because then they couldn't blame Herm.

The hate for a man who did in ONE YEAR, with arguably LESS TALENT, what Vermeil accomplished in 5 years.

We could have whipped Indy's ass, and there would still be people bitching that he ****ed up in the Divisional Round.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:04 PM   #14
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Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.
Damnit, I hate it when I'm compelled to agree with you.

Excellent take. A huge chunk of the offense left with the HOF LT.


That said, I'm getting rather discouraged with a number of Herm's decisions. I'm not ready to call for his head on a platter....yet.
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Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.
I don't disagree that he needed to retool the offense. What he didn't have to do was install the buttsex offense.

Only you could think that running 500 times up the ass is the logical step down from Air Coryell.
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