Elway lost it: God's anointed NFL disciple has earned starting status in 2012

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Possibly, but you can't lay 8-8 on TT ... you can put 7-4 on him since that was the team's record once he became the starter.

Look, this team wasn't expected to do much when Orton was the starter. They over-achieved that expectation by starting off 1-4.

Yes - TT has his issues as a starting QB, but the team rallied.
Yes - the Chiefs, Raiders and Chargers did their best to out-choke each other in their pursuit of not winning the division.
Yes - Denver ended the season on a 3 game skid and won the division at 8-8.

The bottom line is that while TT was starting, they were 8-5 this season... and no, it wasn't pretty and often it was downright brutal. But, there's potential there.

I think people are kidding themselves when they say "had they started a better QB, the team would have done more."

Guess what... they did start a QB for 5 games (that many will say is better) and that you guys started to enjoy in your final few games. And, Denver went 1-4 with him and Lloyd in the offense.

All I'm saying is they did well considering the start and challenges they had on offense this season. We'll see how TT evolves prior to next season and we'll find out quickly what the team plans to do to build around him on offense.

But, you can't lay 8-8 at the feet of TT... you can put 8-5 at his feet though.

And, regarding your comment of "go find a different QB". Name 3 FAs that are hands down better for them that are available in FA. This will be fun, I know 2 names that most of you will throw out there... and no, they don't fit the description of "hands down better".

They also finished the season 1-4 BTW. Getting blowy u to bits in 3 of those. The gimmick offense has been figured out. I'm not sure that bodes well for a bright future out in Pile High.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by PGM

They also finished the season 1-4 BTW. Getting blowy u to bits in 3 of those. The gimmick offense has been figured out. I'm not sure that bodes well for a bright future out in Pile High.

And, as I stated earlier (either in this thread or another) ... if all they do is bring back the status quo, then you're 100% correct. And, regarding getting blown to bits - the defense has something to say on that one as well.

In this era of the NFL - you not only need very capable WRs, which I think they're on the verge of having with Thomas and Decker (we'll see if they resign Royal)... you need pass catching RBs and legit pass catching TEs.

Denver is really lacking in these two areas... and adding these will help any QB, but more importantly - these are 2 areas that are important if you expect TT to take that next step and for the offense to mature and be less option focused.

Again - where would you guys rank the WR trio of Thomas, Decker and Royal as you scan the 32 NFL teams? And, I'm asking where would you rank them now.. not on potential. Potentially, they have huge upside and as noted earlier... Thomas and Decker are only 2nd year pros with Thomas missing most of his rookie campaign. They only worked with TT as the starter for 11 games this regular season.

If I look at just the WR depth charts ... I see 15 teams that have a more proven and consistent group of WRs at this point. These guys are young and raw... working with their 2nd starting QB and 2nd HC in as many seasons.

2011 was a transitional year and there's a learning curve that forced them into a lot of adjustments. TT missed open guys, he misfired... they also dropped quite a few balls, especially down the stretch.

All I'm saying - there's a lot of good potential here.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Possibly, but you can't lay 8-8 on TT ... you can put 7-4 on him since that was the team's record once he became the starter.

Look, this team wasn't expected to do much when Orton was the starter. They over-achieved that expectation by starting off 1-4.

Yes - TT has his issues as a starting QB, but the team rallied.
Yes - the Chiefs, Raiders and Chargers did their best to out-choke each other in their pursuit of not winning the division.
Yes - Denver ended the season on a 3 game skid and won the division at 8-8.

The bottom line is that while TT was starting, they were 8-5 this season... and no, it wasn't pretty and often it was downright brutal. But, there's potential there.

I think people are kidding themselves when they say "had they started a better QB, the team would have done more."

Guess what... they did start a QB for 5 games (that many will say is better) and that you guys started to enjoy in your final few games. And, Denver went 1-4 with him and Lloyd in the offense.

All I'm saying is they did well considering the start and challenges they had on offense this season. We'll see how TT evolves prior to next season and we'll find out quickly what the team plans to do to build around him on offense.

But, you can't lay 8-8 at the feet of TT... you can put 8-5 at his feet though.

And, regarding your comment of "go find a different QB". Name 3 FAs that are hands down better for them that are available in FA. This will be fun, I know 2 names that most of you will throw out there... and no, they don't fit the description of "hands down better".

It's really great that he won all those games when the pressure was so high. Essentially, his career was in the balance. I highly doubt Elway pencils him in as the starter next year if he doesn't take his team to the playoffs.

I'm willing to give Tebow ONE quality win. A win where the game was ALL him, and that if they started Orton or Quinn, it would be a loss. That quality win is the Steelers playoff game. Tebow's got a rocket, and consistently beat the coverage by "pulling the trigger." Orton doesn't make those throws. In fact, I think probably the only other QB who would have done as well in that game is Cam Newton. The Steelers were hell bent on shutting down the run, and didn't respect Tebow's arm at all. Tebow definitely made them pay for it. He deserves ample credit for that win. Kudos to Tebow.

But the rest of the year? The offense he played in was pop gun. Comical. It was run-heavy, control the clock, and play defense. Those games ain't pretty, but they will win you regular season games against bad opponents all the time. Just ask Herm Edwards and Damon Huard in their 2006 playoff season. What that style of football does is take the pressure off the defense by forcing them to go onto the field less often for shorter amounts of time. And it also cuts down on turnovers and mistakes.

That style of football can win you a lot of regular season games, especially if your schedule is favorable. Miami, Matt Cassel Kansas City, Oakland, Chargers, Vikings, Caleb Hanie Bears. I guess I will also give the Jets to Tebow as an impressive win, even though the Jets were in free fall mode by that point. All of these are teams with HUGE problems. They make mistakes, turn the ball over, stall, and will get beaten by solid defense, a run game, and a QB on a short leash who won't turn the ball over.

So I totally understand why Elway is rolling with Tebow next year. He'd look pretty bad and face some huge fan scrutiny if he didn't start him. But I'm saying, I'll hold off my fears of the almighty Tebow until I see him properly read coverage and throw a crisp, accurate, 9 yard out over the middle.

[bevischief]

Let's trade Cassel to them.

[Jenson71]

How much can Elway improve T*bow?

[Epic Fail 007]

Wow I thought Elway was smart guess not

[hometeam]

Like everyone im sick of the media coverage on tebow.

However, in light of this new information i say

THANKS ELWAY!


hahahahahhahahahahahahaaaaaa

Carry on this experiment as long as you like Denver! Its quite funny that tebow is the one whos will lead you into football HELL!

[Extra Point]

Timmy just feels funny going under center. Horseface just wants him to feel comfortable doing it.

Five-In covering w/ six is enough to handle the Inside QB Option. Kudos to Belichick for going back to the HS playbook for picking up on it, and stomping on it.

[TEX]

Great News!

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

Good. Hopefully they don't sign anyone to compete with him

yep, it's Teebow's job to lose. Guess what the Broncos did that kc hasn't done since 1993 (that's 19 years ago--NINETEEN FRIGGEN YEARS AGO) that's right, win a playoff game.

suck it losers.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

yep, it's Teebow's job to lose. Guess what the Broncos did that kc hasn't done since 1993 (that's 19 years ago--NINETEEN FRIGGEN YEARS AGO) that's right, win a playoff game.

suck it losers.

18 years ago. The last playoff win happened in 1994.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by SNR

18 years ago. The last playoff win happened in 1994.

bwahahahahahahah!!! HA!HA!HA!

do you feel a little better now? Here's some more pain for your loser ass: kc's playoff record since 1971... 3 wins and 12 losses. That's in the last 40 years--FORTY FUGGEN YEARS!!!

congrats, here's your reward:

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

bwahahahahahahah!!! HA!HA!HA!

do you feel a little better now? Here's some more pain for your loser ass: kc's playoff record since 1971... 3 wins and 12 losses. That's in the last 40 years--FORTY FUGGEN YEARS!!!

congrats, here's your reward:

This is new information

I fail to see why just because my team is ****ing stupid and won't go out and get a good QB, I can't have any opinions on whatever shitty QBs Denver acquires. Hell, I've seen far more shit QBs than you have. I know them when I see them. Timmy T is definitely one of them.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

bwahahahahahahah!!! HA!HA!HA!

do you feel a little better now? Here's some more pain for your loser ass: kc's playoff record since 1971... 3 wins and 12 losses. That's in the last 40 years--FORTY FUGGEN YEARS!!!

congrats, here's your reward:

Really? Damn. And here I thought the Browns were a ****ing disaster.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

bwahahahahahahah!!! HA!HA!HA!

do you feel a little better now? Here's some more pain for your loser ass: kc's playoff record since 1971... 3 wins and 12 losses. That's in the last 40 years--FORTY FUGGEN YEARS!!!

congrats, here's your reward:

In other news, water is wet.

Get some new material, Assclown.