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Old 02-27-2012, 01:12 PM   #1
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Here is the big difference between the Lions and Chiefs tampering:

"The tampering charges stem from comments Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham made to the Detroit Free Press about unnamed Chiefs players still under contract. The Lions were also deemed to have made "impermissible contact" with Chiefs safety Jarrad Page or his agent."

It's the 2nd sentence that is key. "Impermissible contact" with Page or his agent. It was more than Gunther's comment.
Interesting. Thanks for posting this, Mr. Chiefnj2. I had never before heard of the "impermissible contact" part ... only the statement Gunther made regarding his interest in the Chiefs' defensive players.

I don't know if I feel good or bad about it, though. On the plus side, I'm glad there's no double standard. On the not-so-plus side, I still think that Romeo should defer any comments regarding his interest in contracted players during this period ... have there not been reports that the Chiefs have been in conversations with Manning's agent? I thought I saw that somewhere on the Planet.

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:24 PM   #2
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Here is the big difference between the Lions and Chiefs tampering:

"The tampering charges stem from comments Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham made to the Detroit Free Press about unnamed Chiefs players still under contract. The Lions were also deemed to have made "impermissible contact" with Chiefs safety Jarrad Page or his agent."

It's the 2nd sentence that is key. "Impermissible contact" with Page or his agent. It was more than Gunther's comment.
Right. The Lions weren't charged with tampering because of Gunther's comment alone.
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So ... what is "impermissible contact", gentlemen?

Again, there are reports (in a thread right here on the Planet) that the Chiefs and Manning's agent have had discussions. I'm just curious about where they draw the line. If the player's agent rings you on the phone, are you supposed to hang up on the guy and immediately report the call?

I guess they could establish some kind of double standard for Manning, though. It wouldn't be the first time the league did that for him.

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:45 PM   #4
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Colts not inclined to file tampering charges against Chiefs

Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2012, 3:31 PM EST

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Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel committed an apparent violation of the tampering rules by telling the media on Friday that he “would be crazy not to consider [Peyton Manning] if he’s available.”

Given that the tampering rules prohibit at page 3 “[a]ny public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media,” and that the NFL’s anti-tampering policy provides as an example a very similar remark (“He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”), the Colts could make a tampering claim, if the Colts choose to make a tampering claim.

Bob Glauber of Newsday reported on Monday via Twitter that the Colts are “not inclined” to pursue tampering charges against the Chiefs. As Glauber points out, the league can pursue the matter on its own, if the league so chooses. (As we pointed out in an earlier item, that’s precisely what the NFL did after Albert Haynesworth signed as a free agent with the Redskins.)

The league won’t comment, and its precedent of investigation and enforcement in past situations sheds no light on whether action will be taken.
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:49 PM   #5
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Colts not inclined to file tampering charges against Chiefs

Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2012, 3:31 PM EST

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Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel committed an apparent violation of the tampering rules by telling the media on Friday that he “would be crazy not to consider [Peyton Manning] if he’s available.”

Given that the tampering rules prohibit at page 3 “[a]ny public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media,” and that the NFL’s anti-tampering policy provides as an example a very similar remark (“He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”), the Colts could make a tampering claim, if the Colts choose to make a tampering claim.

Bob Glauber of Newsday reported on Monday via Twitter that the Colts are “not inclined” to pursue tampering charges against the Chiefs. As Glauber points out, the league can pursue the matter on its own, if the league so chooses. (As we pointed out in an earlier item, that’s precisely what the NFL did after Albert Haynesworth signed as a free agent with the Redskins.)

The league won’t comment, and its precedent of investigation and enforcement in past situations sheds no light on whether action will be taken.
Good.

But there's still a chance the NFL could do something and we still haven't heard anything from the Dolphins, right?

I tend to agree with Petro - the NFL makes these coaches and GMs available to the media at the scouting combine. If they don't want these kinds of things to happen, don't make them available. As it is, if they get asked a question, they should be able to answer.

They've put guys like Romeo in a no-win situation - if he doesn't answer or says "no comment" he's being an asshole to the media. If he does answer, he's tampering.
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #6
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Good.

But there's still a chance the NFL could do something and we still haven't heard anything from the Dolphins, right?

I tend to agree with Petro - the NFL makes these coaches and GMs available to the media at the scouting combine. If they don't want these kinds of things to happen, don't make them available. As it is, if they get asked a question, they should be able to answer.

They've put guys like Romeo in a no-win situation - if he doesn't answer or says "no comment" he's being an asshole to the media. If he does answer, he's tampering.
Either the Colts or the Phins, I guess. Or, of course, the NFL itself.

It remains to be seen where the boot up the ass might come from ... and to whom said boot might belong. If, on the other hand, Crennel doesn't skate on account of the fact that he's generally viewed as a nice guy whereas Gunther is generally viewed as a raving lunatic.

The funny thing is that everybody knows that a lot of teams would be interested in Manning. That's no secret. Henne? ... that's another matter entirely.

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Old 02-27-2012, 02:46 PM   #7
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sounds like Crennel did screw up and better just keep his mouth shut
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sounds like Crennel did screw up and better just keep his mouth shut
While I agree, the NFL should also stop encouraging teams to do interviews at public events like the combine.

They want the coaches and GMs to be out there and contribute to the 24x7x365 NFL frenzy but then they want to strictly monitor everything they say to the point where they just shouldn't talk.

It's really dumb on the NFL's part.
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Only RAC didn't say we'd like to have him if available...he said we'd be crazy not to consider him if available"

RAC may have saved face with his opening statement acknowledging the tampering rules. Believe you me Pioli and RAC discussed and rehearsed what was to be said.
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Only RAC didn't say we'd like to have him if available...he said we'd be crazy not to consider him if available"

RAC may have saved face with his opening statement acknowledging the tampering rules. Believe you me Pioli and RAC discussed and rehearsed what was to be said.
hopefully that saves us
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See? That's what I feared ... that all that's required is a public "statement" which can be construed as soliciting a player by expressing an interest. That's really all Gunther did (other than the "inappropriate contact" part - which I still don't understand, or even know what that was) and it sounds like that's all it takes.

It seems like Crennel's kind of walking the razor's edge, here.

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You know exactly what was going on in Romeo's mind when they asked that question:

"If I say 'I can't comment' that means ChiefsPlanet is going to go crazy and think I'm endorsing Cassel. Screw it, I'll risk the loss of a 7th round draft pick, I can't have all those nice Chief fans calling me Herm-2."
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It appears to me that, if anyone REALLY wanted to push the issue, RAC screwed up. That said, it seems a little extreme that a coach can't even say "Yes, I'd like to have Peyton Manning on my team." without that violating the rule. Free agency would be more fun if coaches could comment on who they're going after.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the league fine Crennel for the comments just to make a point and attempt to make it look like they are enforcing their own bylaws. I'd be surprised to see draft picks affected unless a team files charges (and because I'd be surprised to see Goodell come straight out and slap Clark Hunt for this)...
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