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Old 04-02-2015, 04:54 PM   #1
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And we've drafted 5 in the Top 75 over the last 5 years, and it's been a waste of draft capital.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:03 PM   #2
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And we've drafted 5 in the Top 75 over the last 5 years, and it's been a waste of draft capital.
Big issue with that was coaching. Stephenson, Hudson and Asamoah don't fit what Andy wants in an OL. Completely different scheme from what I remember.
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Big issue with that was coaching. Stephenson, Hudson and Asamoah don't fit what Andy wants in an OL. Completely different scheme from what I remember.
Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:05 PM   #4
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Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.
Also, this.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:46 PM   #5
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Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.
Hudson did an awesome job no doubt. But I think there's a reason Allen and Stephenson went to get bigger and stronger?

I think Andy likes the power scheme type OL who can be athletic like the zone blocking guys. IIRC Sorter said we played some zone.

I think that last year was so catastrophic bc Reid had big plans for Allen and Stepehenson to get bigger to be more like "maulers" but keeping that athleticism.
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Old 04-02-2015, 06:15 PM   #6
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Hudson did an awesome job no doubt. But I think there's a reason Allen and Stephenson went to get bigger and stronger?

I think Andy likes the power scheme type OL who can be athletic like the zone blocking guys. IIRC Sorter said we played some zone.

I think that last year was so catastrophic bc Reid had big plans for Allen and Stepehenson to get bigger to be more like "maulers" but keeping that athleticism.
Stephenson's combine numbers were one of the best, if not the best, I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. 4.94 40. 35.5" vertical at 6'6", 312 lb. Insane. He has good feet and comes up and out from his stance extremely fast.

The one thing that was a legitimate criticism was his lack of functional playing strength. He was not strong like bull. It's obvious why he dipped into the PED's which led to his suspension. If he can get to the point where he's weight trained himself into his natural athleticism, I think he can be one of the better tackles in the league.

If not...eh.

Allen was primarily viewed as a career backup OL guy at four positions. Valuable to a team, but I've never seen him as a starter in the league. He doesn't have the athleticism to be a edge protector or the strength to function effectively in the box. However, he can play either guard or tackle position and gives the team a security blanket for the entire line.

Personally, I could see them going offensive tackle in the first and then an interior guy in the third.

If La'el Collins is there, it's not a bad pick, though I doubt he's going to be available.

As I stated in Draft Planet, I think that Oregon's Jake Fisher is one of the most viable options for the Chiefs in the first round. He fit's Dorsey's profile to a "T" and is a nasty ****er on the field.

Don't be too surprised if his name is read on Draft day when the Chiefs pick.

If that doesn't jibe with you, you better start hoping to hell that this team gets Stephenson the Balco vitamin regime or gets Derek Sherrod's head back into football. Otherwise, there is a definite possibility of having Fisher bookends come opening game 2015.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:50 PM   #7
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Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.
For 6m per (what was reported that we offered) he would have been a good signing.

He wasn't worth 9
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:53 PM   #8
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Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.
Only thing that didn't fit with Hudson was his $$$ demands. As Reid said, Hudson was fortunate that he was pretty much the only good free agent center available. He hit the market at the right time......otherwise, I suspect he'd still be a Chief.
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Big issue with that was coaching. Stephenson, Hudson and Asamoah don't fit what Andy wants in an OL. Completely different scheme from what I remember.
Where do you get this shit?

If Stephenson doesn't fit the scheme, why is he getting a shot to start at RT?
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I am good with giving the line they have now a shot. Maybe a vet center for depth. They don't have to spend a single pick on the line. Sometimes you just have to give a guy like Kush a shot. Give Fulton another year to develop and if he falters you have a vet in Fanaika. Allen vs Stephenson should be a good camp battle as well.
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I am good with giving the line they have now a shot. Maybe a vet center for depth. They don't have to spend a single pick on the line. Sometimes you just have to give a guy like Kush a shot. Give Fulton another year to develop and if he falters you have a vet in Fanaika. Allen vs Stephenson should be a good camp battle as well.
Couldn't agree more.

I think they were pretty smart in addressing their OL issues in FA and trades - which allows them to use most of their 10 picks on difference makers.
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I am good with giving the line they have now a shot. Maybe a vet center for depth. They don't have to spend a single pick on the line. Sometimes you just have to give a guy like Kush a shot. Give Fulton another year to develop and if he falters you have a vet in Fanaika. Allen vs Stephenson should be a good camp battle as well.
I wouldn't be against grabbing a guard or tackle in the 3rd-5th round range if they're the BPA at that point. Like a John Miller or Rob Havenstein. I just don't see OL as the BPA at #18 though. There are number of CBs that would fit better.
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I wouldn't be against grabbing a guard or tackle in the 3rd-5th round range if they're the BPA at that point. Like a John Miller or Rob Havenstein. I just don't see OL as the BPA at #18 though. There are number of CBs that would fit better.
I can agree with that. Mid to late rounds I definitely would not mind. At 18.....ughhhh
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The biggest boost to the line would be Fisher putting on his big boy pants and owning souls
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The biggest boost to the line would be Fisher putting on his big boy pants and owning souls
Truth.

Hell, I'd be happy if he started playing like a 1st rounder.

Would be a bonus if he started playing like a #1 overall pick.
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