Dakota Fanning to be raped onscreen

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Miles

On its face I would agree. Though I won't pass judgement till I have seen it or at least know more. For all you know the scene could be exactly what it sounds like which is showing the seriousness of a beyond explicably horrbile crime.

No offense, but rape is bad enough. Throw in pre-teen, and well....

[Miles]

Originally Posted by Donger

No offense, but rape is bad enough. Throw in pre-teen, and well....

Damn you replied before i could correct my word usage error.

Think I may be agreeing with you again. Basically what I am trying to say is that the particular scene described may not be what it seems. Again obviously havent seen it but from what it sounds its just a depection of a horrfic crime. Just saying that it may just be a vehicle to show this type of crime but alse agreee with you that it sounds like it could be just as effectivly done without.

[007]

Originally Posted by Miles

On its face I would agree. Though I won't pass judgement till I have seen it or at least know more. For all you know the scene could be exactly what it sounds like which is showing the seriousness of a beyond inexplicably horrbile crime.

There have been enough movies about rape. I don't think we need one about a 12 year old girl to top them off.

[Miles]

On a less serious note this may be the most fucked up topic for a late night thread around here I have easily seen.

[tk13]

I think saying that 10 percent of 12 year old girls are mature enough to make this kind of decision is reaaaaally stretching it. I don't think it's even close to that. We're talking what? 5th? 6th grade? No way on earth. Sure kids might find it interesting or whatever, but they don't have any common sense regarding how the power of sex should be used. Or what is appropriate.

She's still 4 years from being able to drive a car. You're telling me she's mature enough to make this decision? She may think she is, but she's not. Anyone who has lived past 12 years old could tell you that. Unless the rest of you guys all reached some sense of enlightenment that passed me by in middle school.

[Rausch]

Sorry, but that's kiddie pron.

She's 12, half naked, and on screen.

Yeah, um, that's ****ing illegal...

[Jim Jones]

I can't believe people are defending this. Yeah, it's a movie, but she's still naked on screen, and it's still simulated rape, and it's still something that can screw her up emotionally.

You can just as easily get across your "RAPE IS BAD MMKAY" message by, as many people said, allluding to the rape without actually showing it. I mean shit, have the guy take her in a room, close the door, you hear a few screams and bam, onto the next scene. No nudity, no simulated rape, but the point still gets across.

[tk13]

That is an interesting point. If somebody on this board filmed a scene like that in their bedroom, they could probably get in a lot of trouble. If somebody went to court saying what they possessed "art", should that be acceptable? Interesting twist there.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by tk13

That is an interesting point. If somebody on this board filmed a scene like that in their bedroom, they could probably get in a lot of trouble.

They'd go to prison.

If it was a proven fact, recorded, and indisputable that anyone here over 18 filmed a girl under 16 half naked, you'd be in jail.

100%, no doubt, federal-****-you-in-the-azz prison...

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

They'd go to prison.

If it was a proven fact, recorded, and indisputable that anyone here over 18 filmed a girl under 16 half naked, you'd be in jail.

100%, no doubt, federal-****-you-in-the-azz prison...

I don't think that's true. Sure, if you find some random 12 year old and convince her to take her clothes off and shoot it on your home camera, it'd be hard to convince anybody that you were making art, and not just trying to take advantage of an underage girl.

But, if I wrote a script that included an underage girl being raped.
-Cast an actress that I believed to be mature enough to be able to handle the scene emotionally.
-Got permission from that actresses' legal guardian.
-Shot the scene on a closed set, and took every precaution that the letter of the law was followed when it comes to art vs porn.

I seriously doubt anybody would even try to bring any charges upon me. The legality of the scene and situation would be taken care of BEFORE the scene was filmed.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by mcan

I don't think that's true. Sure, if you find some random 12 year old and convince her to take her clothes off and shoot it on your home camera, it'd be hard to convince anybody that you were making art, and not just trying to take advantage of an underage girl.

But

No but, you do it an you'll go to jail.

IT'S AGAINST THE ****ING LAW.

End of story, game over, Mario lost all 3 lives.

She's neck-ed, under 16, you filmed it.

Go ahead, try it...

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No but, you do it an you'll go to jail.

IT'S AGAINST THE ****ING LAW.

End of story, game over, Mario lost all 3 lives.

She's neck-ed, under 16, you filmed it.

Go ahead, try it...

Then how come they didn't arrest the director of this movie? I'm confused. You say it's open and shut, but that scene has already been filmed, and they're still filming... No cops. No courtrooms. Just an internet talkboard discussion with vastly varying opinions about the limits of what is and what is not appropriate...

[Moooo]

This topic is something that you will get a different response from different people.

I personally think its good to see them address this.

Those who are sexually abused many times never feel normal, like there's something wrong with them. Being such a taboo thing in our society, many times children who have something happen to them have no one to relate to. Perhaps a movie like this could make some people not feel so alone, and maybe if its popular enough it will help some people open up about their past and help them realize there are others out there who have gone through the same thing.

Though on-screen nudity I didn't think was legal in any sense for a minor. I think you could get away with doing a scene like that without exposing some 12 year old, but the principle behind a movie like this isn't wrong in the slightest. Its wrong to turn your back on it.

Moooo

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Moooo

This topic is something that you will get a different response from different people.

I personally think its good to see them address this.

If you'd just quit here I'd agree.

Sexual abuse is far more common than the average person realizes.

It really should be pointed out.

But making (and don't ****ing kid yourself by thinking some 12 year old girl is begging to just rip her clothes off in front of about 300 people plus supporting crew and caterers) who's underage go nude to prove underage girls shouldn't be exploited.......uh.........

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If you'd just quit here I'd agree.

Sexual abuse is far more common than the average person realizes.

It really should be pointed out.

But making (and don't ****ing kid yourself by thinking some 12 year old girl is begging to just rip her clothes off in front of about 300 people plus supporting crew and caterers) who's underage go nude to prove underage girls shouldn't be exploited.......uh.........

Again, if you feel that just SEEING her breasts is exploiting her, than I'm not going to change your mind. I have a different opinion, and think nudity is no big deal.