Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by EM31

Well obviously everyone is going to decide for themselves but I would say the first few years of Herman Edwards with the Jets I was a kool-aid drinker. A Herm defender if you will. I would say that there was a tremendous benefit of the doubt afforded to Herm by the fan base and the media when he was with the Jets, so it really is incorrect to say that Herm has "always been hated" by Jets fans. It makes for an interesting rhetorical strawman but is far from the case. I can see some of that same sentiment here amongst the defenders of Herman Edwards. Over time I expect that you will begin to see more and more of the "I was a Herm defender but this is the final straw..." type posts.

Again, I was not in the anti-Herm camp for much of the time but it was more of a case fool me shame on me type deal. Looking back I was pretty gullible.

As to your final point, people will take me seriously or not based upon the contrent of my posting. My post here was intended to relate Herm's history of throwing his coordinators under the bus and in slow motion no less. Meaning that he throws them under one year then keeps them around so he can throw them under the next year as he did with BOTH Teddy Cottrell and Paul Hackett. If you don't see a pattern then you do not see it. If on the other hand, you can see a pattern emerging where Herman is never actually to blame for anything bad happening, where Herman always has an OC, or a running back, or a quarterback to blame when things go wrong yet is front-and-center ready to step up to the mic when something goes well then I think you would be seeing the same pattern that I eventually cottoned on to.

Nice Post. We saw that alot this year. Herm chucked Solari under the bus in the pre-season for passing in the redzone... So we have seen this first hand.

Thanks for the info and we love the way Herms talks to us at his press conferences... How dare we question the Great Herm Edwards..

This guys is a joke and a disgrace to Lamar Hunt's memory...

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by EM31

Hi everyone. Post#1 and I know you have heard from plenty disgruntled Jets fans before or ones who "just want to help you out" so I will try not to be too predictable here.

First of all I will self identify as a Jets fan who was in the anti-Herm camp. Fundemantally dishonest snake oil salesman and shameless self promoter about sums it up. Oh, and someone who makes a virtue out of being a likeable dope. Only after he has gutted your team long enough the whole "likeable" thing gets to be a bit questionable.

Anyway, as to the discussion in this thread. Herm is up to his old tricks again I see. If you start from the understanding that NOTHING is ever Herm's fault then you will also appreciate the need for Herm to find scapegoats (plausible or otherwise). So now it is your OC who gets thrown under the bus in large part for doing what Herm ordered him to do. We saw the same thing twice!! First with Teddy Cottrell and then with Paul Hackett. (yes THAT Paul Hackett. A belated thanks to Chiefs fans who came over to our boards and tried to give us a heads up on Hackett).

Anyway, The OC gets blamed, "Changes will be made" but not a firing. And that part is important. Not a firing. This has the effect of deflecting blame away from Herm (today), forcing the OC in a position where he feels grateful to Herm for "saving his job" and finally it gives Herm another year with this guy and a plausible excuse if the same mess happens next year. After all, if the crap hits the fan then Herm was just being too loyal to his guys right? Any improvements on the other hand are because Herm came in and "took charge". And you know he will call a press conference and allude ever so subtly to the Herm-changes that worked.

It is a brilliant strategy.

Anyhow, congrats on having Larry Johnson and I mean that. You could have four of five top 5 picks in the next decade and not find another one like him. I hope the workload does not abbreviate his career. I would take Gonzalez in a heartbeat. He seems to have something left.

With Herm for better or for worse the palyoffs this year, however improbable at 9-7 mean that he is now at four playoffs out of six years (one of six without extreme luck). Four playoffs in six years looks good on paper and Paul Hackett knows what that can mean to the longevity of your career. I think 4-of-6 by itself added AT LEAST one more year to his tenure with the Chiefs and probably added another HC gig to his career after the Chiefs as well.

Good luck.

thanks for coming over. You know you wasted your breath. LOts of yahoos on this board were hanging Jets fans who tried to tell them ahead of time. Don't be surprised to hear more yahoos tell you to get lost, or yeah we know, etc. etc.
congratulations on a good year post Herm. We hope to have one soon.

[EM31]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

thanks for coming over. You know you wasted your breath. LOts of yahoos on this board were hanging Jets fans who tried to tell them ahead of time. Don't be surprised to hear more yahoos tell you to get lost, or yeah we know, etc. etc.
congratulations on a good year post Herm. We hope to have one soon.

I think it is probably like Paul (3rd-and-long draw play) Hackett, the gift that seems to keep on giving. He still plying his trade in Tampa last time I checked. There is a bit of a "greater fool" theory going on where there is always someone else it seems who is willing to give him a job.

In one sense Herm provided the (what looks to be good) timing that led the Jets to Mangini. He also provided the 4th rounder that was well spent on Leon Washington. In that sense Herm had his pluses.

The playoffs this year I think will lead to several more years of Herm at Arrowhead. I don't know how strong the ownership is in KC but many teams would not want to expose themselves to the accusation that they are racially motivated in getting rid of a coach. Fortunately for the Jets, the manner of Herm's departure saved us from those charges.

[the Talking Can]

when your RB sets the NFL record for most carries in a season you lose the right to describe your offense as "too complicated"....

[dirk digler]

I am not trying to defend Herm here but from everything that I have read the last couple of days the consensus from the Chiefs is this offense looked slow and old on Saturday. I can't necessarily disagree with that.

I think he is wanting to go young so we can play fast again.

[Red Dawg]

I have no problem with anything he said. We need young talent on offense that can make an impact. If the book is too complex, and we know it is, then simplify it so young WR's can get on the field.

[Fairplay]

Our offense isn't that complicated.

Herm already slashed a lot of the offensive plays when he got here.

[Que Card QB]

Offensive changes...yeah it's called starting over.

[Fire Me Boy!]

I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now.

Shoulda done that this year with Trent...

[Hammock Parties]

Good article, BTW. Herm has us headed in the right direction. I liked this part:

I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage.

[KCJohnny]

Getting younger, more athletic, faster players involved in offense is a priority. Reducing a truncated play book baffles me. Herm identifying Solari as using an entire regular season to "learn the passing game" is shocking.

There is no doubt in my mind that young athletic WRs and OLmen are in demand. With the right scheme, KW could do a lot that TG is doing now if TG left and we had cap room to shop for some younger talent. The "win now" window is closed. DAWolf is correct. Its time for a youth movement. If that means a new scheme, so be it. I would prefer Huard stay and run that new scheme until Croyle matures, unless Croyle can beat him out in camp.

Let's not forget that DV brought his Rams QB, his Rams coaches, his Rams playbook and a few Rams players with him when he made that journey on I-70 West in 2001. This roster is NOT capable of running even a run-heavy version of the GSoT anymore.

[Hammock Parties]

Here's my only problem - what variation of the Coryell system used big receivers? It seems like we have the personnel now to switch to the west coast w/power running (ala Seahawks and Packers), but we're stuck with an offensive coordinator that's never run that system and a quarterback who knows Coryell. What now?

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Here's my only problem - what variation of the Coryell system used big receivers? It seems like we have the personnel now to switch to the west coast w/power running (ala Seahawks and Packers), but we're stuck with an offensive coordinator that's never run that system and a quarterback who knows Coryell. What now?

Just keep "Remember the Titans" away from Herm. They had 6 plays.

[Archie Bunker]

No system will work with this bad of an o-line and that is all on Carl.

Shields is done, Wiegman has declined, and I have no hope for any of the flunkies the Chiefs used at either tackle position. Outstide of maybe Waters the Chiefs have giant holes all across the OL. Carl had plenty of time to groom replacements and he didn't get it done.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

No system will work with this bad of an o-line and that is all on Carl.

We have to hope that Black can play RG and Terry can play RT. I think replacing two starters on the OL with outside talent is the best we can hope for. Any more than that and it will be a disaster.