Chiefs Meet With Otah

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Croyle was mentioned often with the QBs who were drafted 1st rd in his draft. He was picked in the 3rd mainly due to his injury history. But you guys are hell bent on not giving him any slack.

I'm a HUGE fan of Croyle's. Followed him pretty closely at Alabama.

Saying that, why SHOULD he get any slack?

He hasn't done anything yet.

[bowener]

how many surgeries has dorsey had?

[SBK]

The issue here is the reach or the trade down. When you suck you don't trade down, you take the best players you can get. If anything you trade up. You may trade a 2nd day pick to move up to the bottom of round 1 or 2 and pick a guy that has fallen but you don't think should have.

I think that the difference between a guy like Clady and a guy like Baker isn't as big as the difference between where people want to pick them. Could anyone say Clady at 5 is a better value for the long term core of this team than Baker is in round 2?

What if you could get Baker in round 2, and then with that #5 you get Ellis, Dorsey or Ryan? Now you've improved 2 positions. And that guy you picked with your first is going to be far better than someone playing the same position you could get with your #2.

You'd think this is rocket science.

[Bill S Preston]

I wouldn't think that anybody would have a problem with drafting an offensive lineman if he is the BPA, but a problem arises when people claim that the Chiefs should draft an offensive lineman, even when he isn't the BPA.

[RedThat]

The way I see it,

There is more to it then the BPA. I think it really boils down to BPA combined with position of need. That's would be my way of drafting.

Would it make any sense if lets say Matt Ryan fell to NE and NE should draft him because he is the BPA at #7? Of course not! That would be stupid.

Let's make this clear, the key to success for any team in the NFL is having effective teams built inside the trenches on both sides of the ball. I know one thing, this Chiefs team lacks foundation. Do they have an offensive line? Nope. 1 good player is on that line in Waters that's it. Failing to draft OL in the top rounds after Roaf and Shields retired is showing.

I do feel more optmistic about the Defensive line. The positive signs I can think of there is that they do have some youth. Allen is a stud, Hali has work to do, but he is not that bad. He has a great motor, and decent passrush skills, he needs to work on his run defense. Tyler and McBride are still unknown at this time and played sparingly last year. Boone surprised me last year. But he is 31. Hopefully Tyler or McBride can pan out?

Regardless though, Chiefs pick at 5, if Jake Long is there, and Dorsey is gone, I'd be happy to take Long. He'd probably be the BPA with position of need at 5. If Dorsey is there, and Jake Long is gone, I'd be happy to take Dorsey. He'd probably be the BPA with position of need at 5. Who knows about Tyler or McBride? If Dorsey and Jake Long are gone, and Ellis is there, maybe Ellis is the best guy for the Chiefs to take? Who knows? But he could be the BPA with position of need at the time at 5?

Either way, Chiefs pick at 5, I say be happy because you're going to have a very good chance to pick a top prospect at 5. But either way, I just hope they don't ignore the foundation of the team. The pick should either be an offensive or defensive lineman no doubt about it.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by RedBull

The way I see it,

There is more to it then the BPA. I think it really boils down to BPA combined with position of need. That's would be my way of drafting.

Would it make any sense if lets say Matt Ryan fell to NE and NE should draft him because he is the BPA at #7? Of course not! That would be stupid.

Let's make this clear, the key to success for any team in the NFL is having effective teams built inside the trenches on both sides of the ball. I know one thing, this Chiefs team lacks foundation. Do they have an offensive line? Nope. 1 good player is on that line in Waters that's it. Failing to draft OL in the top rounds after Roaf and Shields retired is showing.

I do feel more optmistic about the Defensive line. The positive signs I can think of there is that they do have some youth. Allen is a stud, Hali has work to do, but he is not that bad. He has a great motor, and decent passrush skills, he needs to work on his run defense. Tyler and McBride are still unknown at this time and played sparingly last year. Boone surprised me last year. But he is 31. Hopefully Tyler or McBride can pan out?

Regardless though, Chiefs pick at 5, if Jake Long is there, and Dorsey is gone, I'd be happy to take Long. He'd probably be the BPA with position of need at 5. If Dorsey is there, and Jake Long is gone, I'd be happy to take Dorsey. He'd probably be the BPA with position of need at 5. Who knows about Tyler or McBride? If Dorsey and Jake Long are gone, and Ellis is there, maybe Ellis is the best guy for the Chiefs to take? Who knows? But he could be the BPA with position of need at the time at 5?

Either way, Chiefs pick at 5, I say be happy because you're going to have a very good chance to pick a top prospect at 5. But either way, I just hope they don't ignore the foundation of the team. The pick should either be an offensive or defensive lineman no doubt about it.

We simply don't have enough players on the defensive line though. IMO the only players currently on our roster at DL who will be here opening day are DE's Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, and Turk McBride and DT's Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, and Tank Tyler. Besides the obvious lack of depth at both positions, two things come to mind.

1) Our defensive tackles are all nose tackle types. None of them can rush the passer very well from the interior. Even if Tank Tyler develops he will never be a Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris type. He is more along the lines of a Anthony McFarland/Pat Williams type. We need our Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris/Kevin Williams on the interior.

2) Turk McBride is IMO nothing more than a rotational player. He simply does not have what it takes to rush the passer from the outside. If either Allen or Hali go down for an extended period of time our pass rush goes to shit because we simply won't have any reliable backups at DE who can rush the passer.

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

We simply don't have enough players on the defensive line though. IMO the only players currently on our roster at DL who will be here opening day are DE's Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, and Turk McBride and DT's Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, and Tank Tyler. Besides the obvious lack of depth at both positions, two things come to mind.

1) Our defensive tackles are all nose tackle types. None of them can rush the passer very well from the interior. Even if Tank Tyler develops he will never be a Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris type. He is more along the lines of a Anthony McFarland/Pat Williams type. We need our Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris/Kevin Williams on the interior.

2) Turk McBride is IMO nothing more than a rotational player. He simply does not have what it takes to rush the passer from the outside. If either Allen or Hali go down for an extended period of time our pass rush goes to shit because we simply won't have any reliable backups at DE who can rush the passer.

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

Not resigning Wilkerson upset me a bit, I thought he was good for depth.

Keep in my mind, McBride can also be lined up DE. He is a bit of both DE/DT. Hali can also be lined up at DT or DE. I don't know why they didn't run the option more often of lining him up on the inside to provide more pressure from the inside on passing down situations.

If Tyler can pan out and be a Pat Williams type player, I know thats a bit of a stretch, but that would be great. The teams weakness was stopping the run. Mainly because cover 2 scheme is not designed to stop the run, more a less to defend the pass, and not give up the big play deep. But the line did lack a run stuffing DT.

I wouldn't say this is an all-pro line, but I thought they showed last year they could play. They were plenty of times last year I saw pressure from the line. That's a great sign! The Chiefs were one of the top ranked teams in pass defense last year believe it or not? Allens play last year showed us he has something, hopefully it can continue.

That's why if Dorsey falls, and he is there at 5, I wouldn't complain if we take him? I personally think he is the best player in this draft. despite all the reports on injuries and stuff, this is a guy who started all his games the last 2 seasons at LSU, and even when he got hurt he still played. He brings character, heart, and talent to the table. and can do it all from a defensive standpoint imo.

I think the Defensive line has come a bit of a way over the past years. It's not a dominant line, obviously they lack a force in the middle, but it definately came a ways and improved. Drafting Dorsey would take this line from good to excellent. And when you have a cover 2 defense, an excellent defensive line makes sense.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

And even after those points argued we were still respectable on defense with a (admit it) dog$#it pair of DT's.

Our offense was bottom 5. Terrible. As bad as the defense was under DV.

We need huge helpings of help on offense and the biggest area of need is O line. We don't have to go there 1st round but we do have to go there early and very often.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

We simply don't have enough players on the defensive line though. IMO the only players currently on our roster at DL who will be here opening day are DE's Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, and Turk McBride and DT's Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, and Tank Tyler. Besides the obvious lack of depth at both positions, two things come to mind.

1) Our defensive tackles are all nose tackle types. None of them can rush the passer very well from the interior. Even if Tank Tyler develops he will never be a Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris type. He is more along the lines of a Anthony McFarland/Pat Williams type. We need our Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris/Kevin Williams on the interior.

2) Turk McBride is IMO nothing more than a rotational player. He simply does not have what it takes to rush the passer from the outside. If either Allen or Hali go down for an extended period of time our pass rush goes to shit because we simply won't have any reliable backups at DE who can rush the passer.

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

I have more reservations about Turk in the 2nd than Tank in the 3rd. I think Tank can develop into something good if coached well. I also think there's more to his Sleep Apnea problem than we hear. If not corrected it could take a lot from his tank.

As for your last comment, I totally agree, but I also submit that our O-line is in way more dire situation than our D-line.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Would it make any sense if lets say Matt Ryan fell to NE and NE should draft him because he is the BPA at #7? Of course not! That would be stupid.

Actually, the Pats drafting Matt Ryan might be an excellent idea.

They could use some good young LBs, and corners, but who do they have backing up Brady.

Matt Cassell.

If Brady goes down, they're ****ed.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Actually, the Pats drafting Matt Ryan might be an excellent idea.

They could use some good young LBs, and corners, but who do they have backing up Brady.

Matt Cassell.

If Brady goes down, they're ****ed.

So lets draft a top rated quarterback as an insurance policy in case our franchise player gets hurt? Knowing that Brady will probably be there the next 10 years or so, meanwhile the other kid can just sit on the bench, and waste his career. You'd call that a good move?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedBull

So lets draft a top rated quarterback as an insurance policy in case our franchise player gets hurt? Knowing that Brady will probably be there the next 10 years or so, meanwhile the other kid can just sit on the bench, and waste his career. You'd call that a good move?

Good move?

No.

I'm saying it isn't a suckass move that actually kind of makes sense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RedBull

So lets draft a top rated quarterback as an insurance policy in case our franchise player gets hurt? Knowing that Brady will probably be there the next 10 years or so, meanwhile the other kid can just sit on the bench, and waste his career. You'd call that a good move?

You really think Tom Brady is going to play until he's 41?

People forget that they guy turns 31 in August. He has 3 rings, a shit-ton of money and is the type to retire earlier in his career, not later.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You really think Tom Brady is going to play until he's 41?

People forget that they guy turns 31 in August. He has 3 rings, a shit-ton of money and is the type to retire earlier in his career, not later.

At the rate he is going now, sure.

I don't see any signs of him slowing down? I watched a few NE games last year, he hardly gets touched. Their offensive line is underrated.

QB position is one where their is a lot of longevity. guys can play up to their late 30's, even early 40's.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by KC4EVER

Chiefs | Team meets with Otah
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:13 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Kansas City Chiefs met with University of Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah Monday, March 24.

I think the chiefs hope they can grab him in the second, wich is considerable since we pick early in most rounds.

22 posts in and no one has asked this obvious question

What the hell are you smoking?

Otah won't make it out of the top 15 picks, much less into the second round.