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What America Has Become

What Has America Become by Ken Huber of Tawas City


July 20, 2010

"What Has America Become" was the title of a letter to the editior written by Ken Huber of Tawas City, Michigan. It contains a series of comparisons and contrasts which causes one to think about the double-standards and conditions under which we now live here in America.

A reprint of the article has been circulating online (see photo with this article) finding its way to Fort Worth and possibly all over the nation. It was originally printed in the Iosco County News Herald on June 9, 2010, published in the Opinion column. Please read, post your thoughts, and as always feel free to subscribe for future articles and/or
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What has America become?

Editor,

Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, it's a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we're racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

- Ken Huber
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:21 PM   #76
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Now you completely lost me. I don't know how that has aanything to do with his discussion. The policy yyou discussed above also dramatically reduces costs, which leads to lower prices and more spending power for businesses. Corporations often abuse disposable income, but that doesn't make outsourcing a bad thing.
When the jobs that are outsourced are replaced by lower paying jobs, guess what happens to the economy?
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #77
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Gawd! You are devoid of logic, facts and economic knowledge. It really shows when you use on sweeping generalities that are also false. The "Boomers" inherited what their parents generation supported by FDR when he pushed through his original welfare state bills. However, the "Boomers" did not outsource American jobs--that was a bi-partisan deal including Carter who was up on that stage the day the free-trade pact was passed. As I recall, many so-called " Boomers" were opposed and still are.

Political elites in both parties pushed through these pacts. The American people had little to do with it, on both the left or right, or whether Gen X, Y or Boomer. In fact all generations were lied to, because these aren't even real free-trade pacts--they're mercantilist arrangements that benefit politically connected corporations.

Quit being an idiot.
Ah yes, the usually government is the cause of all problems post from BEP.

Do explain how the government forced all those companies to outsource. Allow to with profitability sure. But, each company made their own choice regardless of government and it is a trend that goes well into the boomers being in charge.
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When the jobs that are outsourced are replaced by lower paying jobs, guess what happens to the economy?
You think that's really what happens? If we are truly outsourcing for the right reasons, we outsource because it costs us more here to produce inferior products. So the one byproduct of outsourcing is better products at lower costs, which frees up more money for jobs or is passed off to the consumer in lower prices.

The second byproduct is that it forces America to stop forcing bad jobs into the economy, and instead encourages workers to flexibly move to positions that are actually needed.

The theory of comparative advantage is basic economic theory. Outsourcing is a good thing, though I agree with Buceyepea (believe it or not) that when abused for political reasons, that's when it hurts you.
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When the jobs that are outsourced are replaced by lower paying jobs, guess what happens to the economy?

When a job is outsourced its not replaced.Its gone. It moves away.

Lower paying jobs are a function of many things, not limited to outsourcing. Outsourcing may have zero to do with lower paying jobs. If a job requires high skill and those skills are rewarded with high pay and they are outsourced, the job does not convert somehow to a lower paying job. The demand for your skill leaves. Now you compete in a new environment where the skills you have dont demand a higher pay.

A job is outsourced when the job can be done enough cheaper and at equal quality that it is a good decision to move the work.

We compete on the global stage. We consume locally. We buy generally at the lowest price. Dont you do that? Do you read the ads, look online, check prices before you buy an item? I think most people do, Makes no difference who we are, conservative or progressive, young or old, even wealthy people shop for the best value. As consumers we dont generally buy to express our political or social beliefs or attitudes.

If I manufacture a gizmo with no regard for my cost, I cannot survive selling at a price point that is low enough to compete with the low cost producer.

People and government need to understand that as we add cost through regulations or programs or taxes, we reduce our collective ability to compete as producers. And if we cannot compete to get your money as a consumer, we fail. Its as simple as that. Business has to make a profit that the owners will accept.

Are you in a career that can be outsourced? Are you on a path to make a career in a high paying job that cant be outsourced? Think about it. If your job is easily portable....thats rather a poor career decision.
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Ah yes, the usually government is the cause of all problems post from BEP.

Do explain how the government forced all those companies to outsource. Allow to with profitability sure. But, each company made their own choice regardless of government and it is a trend that goes well into the boomers being in charge.
If you're pissed off at corporations sending jobs offshore your aim should be more towards congress than the corporations.
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When a job is outsourced its not replaced.Its gone. It moves away.

Lower paying jobs are a function of many things, not limited to outsourcing. Outsourcing may have zero to do with lower paying jobs. If a job requires high skill and those skills are rewarded with high pay and they are outsourced, the job does not convert somehow to a lower paying job. The demand for your skill leaves. Now you compete in a new environment where the skills you have dont demand a higher pay.

A job is outsourced when the job can be done enough cheaper and at equal quality that it is a good decision to move the work.

We compete on the global stage. We consume locally. We buy generally at the lowest price. Dont you do that? Do you read the ads, look online, check prices before you buy an item? I think most people do, Makes no difference who we are, conservative or progressive, young or old, even wealthy people shop for the best value. As consumers we dont generally buy to express our political or social beliefs or attitudes.

If I manufacture a gizmo with no regard for my cost, I cannot survive selling at a price point that is low enough to compete with the low cost producer.

People and government need to understand that as we add cost through regulations or programs or taxes, we reduce our collective ability to compete as producers. And if we cannot compete to get your money as a consumer, we fail. Its as simple as that. Business has to make a profit that the owners will accept.

Are you in a career that can be outsourced? Are you on a path to make a career in a high paying job that cant be outsourced? Think about it. If your job is easily portable....thats rather a poor career decision.
While liberals scramble to protect jobs, the truth is that our refusal to let go of bad jobs is destroying our economy. I don't want companies to cut these bad jobs outright. I would like to see the labor force stuck in bad jobs trained out of those positions so they can hold more productive jobs where they are needed. There is no shortage of skill positions available.

It's one of the things I talked about in terms of why the private sector is much better than the public sector from a career mobility standpoint. Private sector employees learn to be really agile. They start as accountants, then end up in operations, then somehow end up running an IT group. What's great about that is employees flex to what's available versus forcing themselves down one narrow career path.
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You think that's really what happens? If we are truly outsourcing for the right reasons, we outsource because it costs us more here to produce inferior products. So the one byproduct of outsourcing is better products at lower costs, which frees up more money for jobs or is passed off to the consumer in lower prices.

The second byproduct is that it forces America to stop forcing bad jobs into the economy, and instead encourages workers to flexibly move to positions that are actually needed.

The theory of comparative advantage is basic economic theory. Outsourcing is a good thing, though I agree with Buceyepea (believe it or not) that when abused for political reasons, that's when it hurts you.
got any data to back up any of that?

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While liberals scramble to protect jobs, the truth is that our refusal to let go of bad jobs is destroying our economy. I don't want companies to cut these bad jobs outright. I would like to see the labor force stuck in bad jobs trained out of those positions so they can hold more productive jobs where they are needed. There is no shortage of skill positions available.

It's one of the things I talked about in terms of why the private sector is much better than the public sector from a career mobility standpoint. Private sector employees learn to be really agile. They start as accountants, then end up in operations, then somehow end up running an IT group. What's great about that is employees flex to what's available versus forcing themselves down one narrow career path.
You talk like a person who has no idea that the German automotive industry pays double what our American corporations pay and stayed profitable during the recession.

You actually believe the myth of an overpaid American

But keep believing this myth of bad jobs. . You think any company is going to keep a job that doesn't make it a profit. All jobs exist to make a company profit. Are you drunk? what jobs are you even talking about.

The only bad jobs are the ones that need to be subsidized by the government through the social safety net.
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You talk like a person who has no idea that the German automotive industry pays double what our American corporations pay and stayed profitable during the recession.

You actually believe the myth of an overpaid American

But keep believing this myth of bad jobs. . You think any company is going to keep a job that doesn't make it a profit. All jobs exist to make a company profit. Are you drunk? what jobs are you even talking about.
Yes. Many human jobs can be more effectively and more cheaply replaced by machines. Strict HR policies and unions keep bad employees in good jobs. They not only suck up resources to provide no benefit, their incompetence adds cost when they make mistakes.

The german automotive industry can afford to pay double because they are really, really good at making cars. It's not like Germans are known for making the best cell phones or computers. Comparative advantage says when your country is great at something, invest more in that. That's exactly what the Germans are doing. They have tremendous experience, car intelligence, a tremendous brand reputation, and a work force that is obsessed with cars. It works for them.

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The only bad jobs are the ones that need to be subsidized by the government through the social safety net.
There are a great deal of negative value jobs out there. You look at the layers of bureaucracy in government alone, and you're going to tell me all those government jobs are necessary?
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BMW has a plant in South Carolina. Do workers there make German wages or US Wages? Does BMW sell the US Made Cars cheaper than German made BMWs? Why would BMW Outsource building cars in the US and remove the job from Germany?

I believe I recall VW has a plant in Mexico. Why? Do they pay German wages to Mexican workers?

American car companies build cars that generally speaking are built to be sold in the US and Canada. That seems to be the corporate target. I just got back from Italy. And my wife and I try to make a european trip every year or two. You wont find a GM 3/4 ton Silverado pickup running the roads in Italy, Germany, France. And with gas at over $8/gallon and Diesel at $9 you won't find many US Gas guzzler cars.

Thats the difference in markets. Some of those differences are artificial. A Danish farmer may desire to have a pickup truck like his US counterpart but his taxes in Denmark prevent him from being able to.

The US car industry serves entirely different markets than the German or Japanese or other car industries in entirely different economies. Yet German car companies will outsource in a heartbeat if it is in their best interest. Fiat owns Chrysler. We should hope Fiat quality does not infest Dodge...but I bet Fiat will keep paying the lowest price they can for labor.
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The automotive industry is driven by tight manufacturing processes, mistake reduction, and brand recognition. Germans have all 3. They're detail-oriented, very experienced, and have the German brand name. You have to have workers who are highly motivated, hard-working, and have extreme attention to detail. These are things built into the culture. Companies with a history of good processes tend to have a "secret sauce." And because the country has a reputation for building good cars, they tend to get better people. Workers who obsess over cars and highly skilled and trained engineers. Furthermore, they have better access to the autobahn, which means more experienced drivers and easier access to better testing.
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Don't stop there.

ObamaCare is a great win for the younger folks who wanted it so bad. And they wont mind paying for insurance that is mandated.

Certainly they understand as well that the lack of full time jobs in may areas of employment are a result of their willingness to share opportunity with illegals and to embrace them in our country fully. There is a cost for being a more open and loving country and young folks are paying that price but they knew it was happening as they did it. They are smart, bright, and have a great grasp of the ideas of cause and effect.

Energy costs are a drag especially for underemployed people and youth who need to get from place t place and need power. But again, young people support global warming/climate change efforts and if that means a few more taxes and a few less $$ to spend on themselves, its worth it. Far better to suffer higher costs than to latch onto a project like Keystone. Those jobs wouldn't go to young folks anyway. And we know the pollution will be huge.

Young people have and continue to support with unwavering loyalty their Obama Plans and Obama words. If they do and they are as smart as they say they are, then they will understand why the standard of living they can achieve in the future will be capped and they may never see the opportunity their parents and grandparents had. Fundamental change means fundamentally you are gonna live under new rules. And pay the price for your efforts

Obama aint your parents president children....you bought the car. And its an Edsel.
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It shows how open minded and adjusted to reality you are. Not at all confined to a bubble.
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I love how you speak about 'young people' as if they're part of a collective.

It shows how open minded and adjusted to reality you are. Not at all confined to a bubble.

Im actually quite open minded, I work a good bit with young people, have spent a good bit of a career recruiting. So my exposure to young folks is not too limited plus I have raised one. I generally like young folks. I generally like old folks too. But I do see substantial differences in how each approaches problems, how they evaluate a situation and how they arrive at a decision.

If how I phrased what I said is a problem, its yours.
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Im actually quite open minded, I work a good bit with young people, have spent a good bit of a career recruiting. So my exposure to young folks is not too limited plus I have raised one. I generally like young folks. I generally like old folks too. But I do see substantial differences in how each approaches problems, how they evaluate a situation and how they arrive at a decision.

If how I phrased what I said is a problem, its yours.
The young generation brings a lot of good that hasn't fully been harnessed. They for sure bring some baggage. I'm over 30 and can tell you that once my peers started paying taxes and raising families, a good chunk have started to shift conservative. So I wouldn't worry about a new breed of socialism. But uncompromisingly, younger people are liberal on moral issues. The right has to adapt or continue to lose more and more new generation voters.

To your last point... I said the talents haven't been fully harnessed because the world hasn't adapted to the next gen yet. What I see is the youth have an increasing disconnect in how the world works, but unlimited ability to better connect the world. Too many companies have failed to untapped the full potential of digital. Once companies move to the next generation, think you'll see the young generation evolve into leaders.
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