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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 07:10 AM   #16
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:11 AM   #17
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If you take away defensive scoring for the Chiefs you would have to do that across the board for all teams to have a legit comparison. Without checking the numbers I would say they would rank better than 23rd. But, I am totally in agreement about shitty offensive line play.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:14 AM   #18
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Anyone who has watched the games should know that the Chiefs are lucky to be 3-0. Last week the Eagles turned the ball over 4 times in the first half, yet we only had a 10 point lead. I was sure we were going to lose that game up until the 5:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter.

Having said all of that, I'm still pretty damn happy with the job Andy Reid has done with this team. I think the offense will get better, and I like wondering how the hell this team is 3-0 a hell of a lot better than the shit we've been fed for nearly a decade.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:14 AM   #19
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But, I am totally in agreement about shitty offensive line play.
I wouldn't say the whole line has been $#itty.

I really like Albert's play. Big John and Hudson have been good with bad moments.

I'm not sold on our other 2...
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:16 AM   #20
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Chiefs Tight Ends are all injured too. Think that could have an impact on the running game?
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I thought we'd be competitive this year with Alex because he doesn't turn it over.

I think the groaning is from those with unrealistic expectations from our QB. He is what he is.
Yup very mediocre. I do think its possible Andy Reid will succeed in getting him into the hall of mediocre. Alex is THAT good at it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:18 AM   #22
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NO THATS JUST ALEX SMITH BEING EFFICIENT

IF THE DEFENDING IS GOOD THEN THE OFFENSE IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK

ANDY REID VANILLA OFFENSE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY SUPER TOP SECRET PLAYS

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I wouldn't say the whole line has been $#itty.

I really like Albert's play. Big John and Hudson have been good with bad moments.

I'm not sold on our other 2...
Will Shields was on 610 yesterday ripping the OL and specifically called Albert out.

He concluded they need to work as a unit in this offensive scheme.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:19 AM   #24
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Chiefs Tight Ends are all injured too. Think that could have an impact on the running game?
The only problem I see with the running game is we don't use it enough.

Two good reasons to run more:

A) We have a ****ing fantastic HB.

B) Smith is an excellent play action passer. He's good selling the fake and he's not afraid to attempt deep passes on first down (out of play action.)
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If you take away defensive scoring for the Chiefs you would have to do that across the board for all teams to have a legit comparison. Without checking the numbers I would say they would rank better than 23rd. But, I am totally in agreement about shitty offensive line play.
Very true. KC has been very fortunate in their field position, thanks to the K/P returns and defensive turnovers.

( 1st in the league!!!! http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats )

Now, I ask ya.. is the offense to be punished by you because they haven't had to do more? haven't had to travel 80 yards down the field every drive?

No one is deluding themselves into thinking this offense is remarkable and running on all cylinders. They are just being realistic in accepting that the new system will take time to get into top gear... particularly the OL.. which IS ranked 7th worst so far in pass pro. The run blocking is ranked 5th best... but I think we all see issues there, and then factor in the QB's run yards to help that number.
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It's one thing to have piss poor WR's.
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It's one thing to have a clueless OC.

We have all 3. No QB overcomes that. No one...
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I wouldn't say the whole line has been $#itty.

I really like Albert's play. Big John and Hudson have been good with bad moments.

I'm not sold on our other 2...
Need to draft moar OL. Cuz drafting a QB is risky. Sometimes they take like a year or something to get good. OL dominate from the very beginning.
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Will Shields was on 610 yesterday ripping the OL and specifically called Albert out.

He concluded they need to work as a unit in this offensive scheme.
He'd know better than me.

2/5ths of this line is new. The offense is new to all of them.

I expect the line as a whole to play better as the season goes on...
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Will Shields was on 610 yesterday ripping the OL and specifically called Albert out.

He concluded they need to work as a unit in this offensive scheme.
Oh what does he know about OL play?
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:23 AM   #29
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Need to draft moar OL. Cuz drafting a QB is risky. Sometimes they take like a year or something to get good. OL dominate from the very beginning.
Completely disagree. After we go 10-7 and get face raped in our 1st playoff game we need to trade up and get a solid 3-technique to replace Tyson Jackson (who we'll cut to sign a new FB and TE in free agency...)
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:23 AM   #30
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There's just no way this team escapes a 3 or 4 game losing streak at some point. It's unfortunate, but the offense is that bad.
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