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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:27 AM   #136
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I completely agree with this, I'm mainly tired of the 49er trolls telling us how great and wonderful Smith is. He's better than what we've had for a while, but he's not the second coming of Dawson.
Hell, I'm enjoying winning as much as anyone (maybe more than many....200 miles is a hell of a drive home when a team just shat all over themselves).
nobody said he is wonderful, you dumb shit! Your strawman doesn't play here.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:27 AM   #137
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oh nice link... such a nice link we must have missed it... well done.
Do you have a PFF subscription? If not, a link won't do you any good.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 AM   #138
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Nothing at all.

But, when it's all that's said it bugs me. It's no different than Susan Sunshine who is predicting a Super Bowl after our 3-0 start.

I don't get to every thread on this website, and typically I avoid game threads. I know you gave the defense some praise. I don't know. I don't mind people who want better and preach that the team needs improvements, but I also like positive people who commend the good things too.*

*Again, to reiterate - I don't follow every thread on this board. And I'm not single-handedly calling you out OTWP.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 AM   #139
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nobody said he is wonderful, you dumb shit! Your strawman doesn't play here.
Yeah, I know I'd follow a guy I thought was just 'meh' to another team's board and adopt said team as my second favorite.

Man, I can't wait to see where Anthony Fasano lands next!! Whoever it is, I'll be buying a jersey and signing up for their team's message board!!
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:29 AM   #140
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I just think he needs a prairie fire shot this AM.
Never a bad idea.
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nobody said he is wonderful,.........
I'm done with you....begone troll. You're dismissed and I will no longer respond to your ignorance.
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You can't even keep your arguments and excuses straight.
I was never at any point discussing Smith's 3rd down %.

I responded to this part of his post.

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You just have to trust Bowe to be Bowe and most of the time he'll make the play.
... and that so far, most of the time for Bowe coming through? has in fact been 53%, according to the link posted earlier.

You understand yet? The misunderstanding was easy enough to do, but it was still not mine.
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oh nice link... such a nice link we must have missed it... well done.
Oops, I have to apologize. I can't follow a column down to Bowe's name, apparently. The 2 that I thought were drops are actually missed tackles forced. In the drop column for Bowe, there's a nice fat zero.

This means that Bowe has caught 100% of the catchable balls thrown to him. Alex has supplied a catchable ball to Bowe 56% of the time.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 AM   #144
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Yeah, I know I'd follow a guy I thought was just 'meh' to another team's board and adopt said team as my second favorite.

Man, I can't wait to see where Anthony Fasano lands next!! Whoever it is, I'll be buying a jersey and signing up for their team's message board!!
and that is another dumb extreme used. You do know there is a large space between wonderful and meh, right? God, what is wrong with some of you people?
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Jesus, OTWP.

I can't imagine what sort of miserable prick you are in real life. Do you hit your wife every time Alex throws short of the marker on third downs as well?

Oh, and you mean to tell me that you've probably spend more money(important investment) and time(important investment) on this franchise than half of these dumbshits that want to shout you down for your "pessimism"?

Sorry. You just aren't a real fan.
You've met me in real life. You know I'm a raving lunatic.

And for the investment?

Over 30 years of time, and over $25,000 over a 5 year span of being a STH between travel, tickets, gas.

I love how some dipshits who are fans of another team are here for a few months and want to lecture us all on how to be a fan.

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Oops, I have to apologize. I can't follow a column down to Bowe's name, apparently. The 2 that I thought were drops are actually missed tackles forced. In the drop column for Bowe, there's a nice fat zero.

This means that Bowe has caught 100% of the catchable balls thrown to him. Alex has supplied a catchable ball to Bowe 56% of the time.
Morons still want to act like Bowe is a terrible WR; or has an exceptionally high drop rate for some reason.

Do they really need a scapegoat for our QB's that badly?
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Oops, I have to apologize. I can't follow a column down to Bowe's name, apparently. The 2 that I thought were drops are actually missed tackles forced. In the drop column for Bowe, there's a nice fat zero.

This means that Bowe has caught 100% of the catchable balls thrown to him. Alex has supplied a catchable ball to Bowe 56% of the time.
zero drops? look at the FIRST pass play for KC vs Philly. JFC.
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Morons still want to act like Bowe is a terrible WR; or has an exceptionally high drop rate for some reason.

Do they really need a scapegoat for our QB's that badly?
no one said that Bowe was terrible... you people are just ****ing stupid with all these strawman comments.
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Yeah, I know I'd follow a guy I thought was just 'meh' to another team's board and adopt said team as my second favorite.

Man, I can't wait to see where Anthony Fasano lands next!! Whoever it is, I'll be buying a jersey and signing up for their team's message board!!
People on the board LOVED Jared Allen.

You know how many have moved on to a Vikings board?

Or how many moved to a Vikings board and then shit all over the place with arguments from here, turning every thread into a Jared Allen attention whoring circle jerk?
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