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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:34 AM   #151
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no one said that Bowe was terrible... you people are just ****ing stupid with all these strawman comments.
You haven't been here more than six months you ****ing troll.

Bowe has been called every name under the sun and hated on for YEARS for no goddamn good reason.

You don't know shit about the dynamic of posters here and their hatred for Bowe.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:35 AM   #152
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and that is another dumb extreme used. You do know there is a large space between wonderful and meh, right?
Yes.

Rodgers/Brees/Brady would be wonderful and Smith/Palmer/Red Rocket would be "meh."
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:36 AM   #153
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:36 AM   #154
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and that is another dumb extreme used. You do know there is a large space between wonderful and meh, right? God, what is wrong with some of you people?
'Meh' to me is average. Nothing less, nothing more. Which perfectly describes the entirety of Alex's career.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:36 AM   #155
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I find it interesting that all the blame is on Smith for the offensive issues when we cant convert 3rd and 1 yet we convert 3rd and long regularly.

His passer rating on 3rd and 8+ is 95.4 and his average completion is 10.4 yards.

3rd and 6 or less yards to go his passer rating is 92 and average completion is 7.7 yards.

Our running game is killing us on 3rd and short. We may as well throw it.

Yea we need more offense and yea Alex needs to push the ball more but its not all on Alex, not even close.

3rd and short is the drive killer. The OL needs to block better on 3rd and long as well. Even though he completed those crossing routes to Avery on 3rd and long he was getting pressure almost immediately.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 AM   #156
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Do you have a PFF subscription? If not, a link won't do you any good.
fair enough... now did you not see the link I posted? That source is either wrong, or yours is, I guess. Either way, whatever... anyone watching these games has seen some drops from Bowe... not a ton.. but more than we should be seeing.

KC is 5th in drop % in the league. Do you deny this?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...rcentage/2013/
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 AM   #157
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I was never at any point discussing Smith's 3rd down %.

I responded to this part of his post.



... and that so far, most of the time for Bowe coming through? has in fact been 53%, according to the link posted earlier.

You understand yet? The misunderstanding was easy enough to do, but it was still not mine.
He was, dipshit, as referenced by his "completion percentage will come up" comment.

Who gives a shit what you were talking about.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:39 AM   #158
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I find it interesting that all the blame is on Smith for the offensive issues when we cant convert 3rd and 1 yet we convert 3rd and long regularly.

His passer rating on 3rd and 8+ is 95.4 and his average completion is 10.4 yards.

3rd and 6 or less yards to go his passer rating is 92 and average completion is 7.7 yards.

Our running game is killing us on 3rd and short. We may as well throw it.

Yea we need more offense and yea Alex needs to push the ball more but its not all on Alex, not even close.

3rd and short is the drive killer. The OL needs to block better on 3rd and long as well as even though completed those crossing routes to Avery on 3rd and long he was getting pressure almost immediately.
I really can't argue this. Our offensive woes aren't entirely resting on Alex's shoulders.

Our line IS garbage; and our 1.1 pick in particular IS garbage right now. I've seen Jamaal bottled up more in the first three games than I did all of last season. Do you know how hard it is for Charles to get bottled up? Give him a slit the size of an ant's pussy and he's sliding through there. Our line has been an embarrassment.
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Who gives a shit what you were talking about.
That's fine.. but don't act like I was side-stepping a point that I was never even discussing... which is what you did. So **** you.
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I really can't argue this. Our offensive woes aren't entirely resting on Alex's shoulders.

Our line IS garbage; and our 1.1 pick in particular IS garbage right now. I've seen Jamaal bottled up more in the first three games than I did all of last season. Do you know how hard it is for Charles to get bottled up? Give him a slit the size of an ant's pussy and he's sliding through there. Our line has been an embarrassment.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:41 AM   #161
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He was, dipshit, as referenced by his "completion percentage will come up" comment.

Who gives a shit what you were talking about.
It's almost like the Niners/Kaep/Smith/Chiefs fan doesn't understand that we don't respect or need his opinion on anything.

Crazy how that works, huh?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:41 AM   #162
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I really can't argue this. Our offensive woes aren't entirely resting on Alex's shoulders.

Our line IS garbage; and our 1.1 pick in particular IS garbage right now. I've seen Jamaal bottled up more in the first three games than I did all of last season. Do you know how hard it is for Charles to get bottled up? Give him a slit the size of an ant's pussy and he's sliding through there. Our line has been an embarrassment.
I was going to add that our shiny new RT was a big part of our 3rd down issues.

Albert played horribly Thursday night as well. He ****ing lined up incorrectly twice which I have never seen, costing us good yardage.

Anyone that has the Thursday game recorded needs to go back and watch the offense.
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fair enough... now did you not see the link I posted? That source is either wrong, or yours is, I guess. Either way, whatever... anyone watching these games has seen some drops from Bowe... not a ton.. but more than we should be seeing.

KC is 5th in drop % in the league. Do you deny this?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...rcentage/2013/


Denver is 2nd.

Really putting a kink in their offense, eh?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:42 AM   #164
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zero drops? look at the FIRST pass play for KC vs Philly. JFC.
That's a defensed pass.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #165
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An ant's pussy?
Eh, it's the best I could come up with on short notice. My synapses are firing a little off today.

ITS PROBABLY BECAUSE IM SO MAD. AS SOON AS I GET OFF HERE IM KICKING THE DOG AND DRIVING TO MY GRANDMAS HOUSE TO PUT HER IN THE STONE COLD STUNNER.

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