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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:29 PM   #706
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Right, but his question was can. I think in the right situation Cassel COULD have won a SB.
Oh, well. Then by all means.

We should table the conversation and all pray to the spirit of Trent Dilfer that the defense continues to play at a historic level, and that every break goes our way.

Sound plan.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:30 PM   #707
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Right, but his question was can. I think in the right situation Cassel COULD have won a SB.
no

this is a fallacy
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:30 PM   #708
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Ok thanks. Flacco carried the Ravens in the playoffs and made big time throws. I just can't see that happening with Alex but I could be wrong. I think for him to win it all he will have to have a dominating D that carries the team.
Right.

Can it happen? Sure. The Ravens did it with Dilfer.

Trying to win the Superbowl with a Dilfer is the statistical equal of trying to find a franchise QB from another team's castoffs. I'll concede that it's possible, and Powerball concedes that its possible for me to turn $1 into $200 million.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:30 PM   #709
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Ok thanks. Flacco carried the Ravens in the playoffs and made big time throws. I just can't see that happening with Alex but I could be wrong. I think for him to win it all he will have to have a dominating D that carries the team.
Lets be real here. That throw vs the donks that resulted in the winning TD should have been picked. Game over.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #710
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He had a dominating defense that carried the team and still came up short - in part due to his own incompetence on 3rd down.
The bigger part, however, was turning the ball over, giving the Giants a chip shot field goal.

The 49ers also put up more points than the Pats in the Super Bowl.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #711
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Lets be real here. That throw vs the donks that resulted in the winning TD should have been picked. Game over.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #712
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Right, but his question was can. I think in the right situation Cassel COULD have won a SB.
you mean from the sideline -- well of course, he was real close. but in the end, no, you are wrong.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #713
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Ok thanks. Flacco carried the Ravens in the playoffs and made big time throws. I just can't see that happening with Alex but I could be wrong. I think for him to win it all he will have to have a dominating D that carries the team.
I don't think he can do it like Flacco did, for sure - he's a much different QB.

But I think he could do it like he did against the Saints. He wasn't bombing downfield in that game, but he did make some big time runs to keep drives alive. He did find guys squirting out the backfield to make something out of nothing.

He did...well exactly what he's done for us so far.

He's not a tall, statuesque pocket passer that's going to do much of anything sexy to win football games. He's going to go out there and try to win ugly. Is that my preferred approach? Nah, not really. I like Geno and I like Tyler Bray as well.

But it's won games in this league for a very long time. It got Gannon deified here in KC. It made Tarkenton a HOFer. It got Alex Smith within an eyelash of a Super Bowl.

To say it 'can't' happen here is just foolish. The odds strongly suggest it won't happen here, but anyone that says it can't is just being a mindless ideologue.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:32 PM   #714
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That's the Marcellus we all know and love.

Make an ignorant comment.

Be proven wrong.

Move the goalposts.


Keg's right, you have an underlying personal issue with a handful of us. You argue posters, not posts.

I would have taken 10 seconds to actually check to see if the bullshit you were spewing was factual - but you didn't care, hoping no one would call you on it.

Good work.
Horseshit. I said it because I believe it and I am certain you were one of the first.

Frankly I am tired of ****ing discussing it and will do my best from here on out to completely avoid all G***O comments. I am sick to ****ing death with it.
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I respect your opinion so may I ask why you feel that way?
I think it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Sure, it's definitely less likely than a slew of other candidates. If Brad Johnson can win one, and Rex Grossman can get there and nearly win one, then by golly, Alex smith can win one as well.

There's just probably more things that need to go right and more quality levels of performance from those around him required to achieve that kind of success, especially on a consistent level. It's not a right or wrong thing, it's a "Here's our limitations, how do we deal with it?" thing.


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Old 09-26-2013, 02:32 PM   #716
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Yeah, no.

The situation couldn't have been more "right" for him in New England.
It was his first year playing. I think a 2010 Cassell on the 00 Ravens wins it all. Probably the Johnson Bucs team as well. I sure as hell think he gets the Grossman Bears to a SB.
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The bigger part, however, was turning the ball over, giving the Giants a chip shot field goal.

The 49ers also put up more points than the Pats in the Super Bowl.
Convert more than 3 third downs and that FG never happens.
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Right.

Can it happen? Sure. The Ravens did it with Dilfer.

Trying to win the Superbowl with a Dilfer is the statistical equal of trying to find a franchise QB from another team's castoffs. I'll concede that it's possible, and Powerball concedes that its possible for me to turn $1 into $200 million.
Thanks. That's my point.
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Yeah, no.

The situation couldn't have been more "right" for him in New England.
He took over an 18 - 0 team and did nothing with it. Not sure how hypotheticals outweigh reality.
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I don't think he can do it like Flacco did, for sure - he's a much different QB.

But I think he could do it like he did against the Saints. He wasn't bombing downfield in that game, but he did make some big time runs to keep drives alive. He did find guys squirting out the backfield to make something out of nothing.

He did...well exactly what he's done for us so far.

He's not a tall, statuesque pocket passer that's going to do much of anything sexy to win football games. He's going to go out there and try to win ugly. Is that my preferred approach? Nah, not really. I like Geno and I like Tyler Bray as well.

But it's won games in this league for a very long time. It got Gannon deified here in KC. It made Tarkenton a HOFer. It got Alex Smith within an eyelash of a Super Bowl.

To say it 'can't' happen here is just foolish. The odds strongly suggest it won't happen here, but anyone that says it can't is just being a mindless ideologue.
New plan:

Hope like hell we face the 30th, 31st and 32nd ranked defenses in the playoffs.
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