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Old 09-26-2013, 01:28 PM  
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Boehner says he will not pass a clean bill from Reid

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) insisted Thursday that the government would not shut down, but he also flatly refused to pass a "clean" spending bill to keep Uncle Sam in business next week when the bank account runs dry.

"I do not see that happening," Boehner told reporters on Capitol Hill after meeting with Republican legislators.

The House passed a measure last week to fund the government after Sept. 30 only if Democrats agree to strip spending from Obamacare. The Senate is in the process of removing the health care defunding and plans to send a simple spending bill back to the House by this weekend. That bill would keep the government running until Nov. 15.

Boehner declared, "I don't expect" the government to close. But he did not explain how he and his Republican caucus could amend the Senate bill, debate it, vote on it and send it back to the Senate for more action there before Oct. 1.

"There will be options available to us," Boehner said. "There's not going to be any speculation about what we're going to do or not do until the Senate passes their bill."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3996800.html
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM   #16
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Concessions?

What referendum did the Republicans win? The last I recall, they lost the Presidential election, lost seats in the Senate, and the Dems received a plurality of votes in the house.

You wonder why TP support is so low (22%); you aren't tacked to any form of objective reality. You're the team that lost a series in six games and claims they were the better squad.

At some point in a representative democracy the representatives stop bloviating and start governing.

What leverage to the Republicans have? They are going to be blamed for the government shutdown. Seventy five percent of independents see you as intractable.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:13 PM   #17
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Concessions?

What referendum did the Republicans win? The last I recall, they lost the Presidential election, lost seats in the Senate, and the Dems received a plurality of votes in the house.

You wonder why TP support is so low (22%); you aren't tacked to any form of objective reality. You're the team that lost a series in six games and claims they were the better squad.

At some point in a representative democracy the representatives stop bloviating and start governing.

What leverage to the Republicans have? They are going to be blamed for the government shutdown. Seventy five percent of independents see you as intractable.
It's really stupid for someone that supports an administration that hasn't put out a budget, since being elected to office, to blame the other party for a government shutdown.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:19 PM   #18
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It's really stupid for someone that supports an administration that hasn't put out a budget, since being elected to office, to blame the other party for a government shutdown.
Here are links to budgets proposed from the administration for the last 3 years and next fiscal year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:20 PM   #19
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A delay on the mandate is a HORRIBLE idea politically speaking. A better option would be to get the medical device tax repealed. Huge bipartisan support for it and it helps expose the true costs of Obamacare.
They should include both, along with language to prevent the government from subsidizing the exchange premiums for Congress and their staff. Make it difficult for democrats in the Senate to vote against it both because of the bipartisan support for the medical device tax repeal and because of the populist appeal of the other two measures. George Will called for this in a recent column and it sounds pretty good to me.

Is there a reason why you think delaying the mandate is a bad political idea?
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:22 PM   #20
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It's not that... it's that the mandate is a BITTER PILL for most people and delaying it will only push the issue off until AFTER the 2014 election. If the 2014 election happens right after people are being herded up and forced into exchanges... it will be political disaster for those who supported Obamacare.

The BEST political solution is to delay the mandate but nor for a YEAR, instead delay it 6 months. That would keep the pain of it fresh in the minds of the now pissed off public just as they are going to the polls.
That's a good thought.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:41 PM   #21
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Concessions?

What referendum did the Republicans win? The last I recall, they lost the Presidential election, lost seats in the Senate, and the Dems received a plurality of votes in the house.

You wonder why TP support is so low (22%); you aren't tacked to any form of objective reality. You're the team that lost a series in six games and claims they were the better squad.

At some point in a representative democracy the representatives stop bloviating and start governing.

What leverage to the Republicans have? They are going to be blamed for the government shutdown. Seventy five percent of independents see you as intractable.
Ooooohhh! Look! Hamas has stats for us!

You have stats. We have leadership. Let's see which one wins.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:45 PM   #22
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I have to say that while I am a registered Republican, I have not felt like a Republican for as long as I've been a voter. Today, I'm actually feeling it. And it feels like liberty.

Looking forward to seeing how this fight plays out.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #23
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Concessions?

What referendum did the Republicans win? The last I recall, they lost the Presidential election, lost seats in the Senate, and the Dems received a plurality of votes in the house.

You wonder why TP support is so low (22%); you aren't tacked to any form of objective reality. You're the team that lost a series in six games and claims they were the better squad.

At some point in a representative democracy the representatives stop bloviating and start governing.

What leverage to the Republicans have? They are going to be blamed for the government shutdown. Seventy five percent of independents see you as intractable.

Sorry, Romney won the Independents 50%-45% in the 2012 election.

Try again.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:33 PM   #24
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Attach an amendment removing all waivers then let Reid, Carney, and the narcissist in office defend not signing it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:42 PM   #25
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Attach an amendment removing all waivers then let Reid, Carney, and the narcissist in office defend not signing it.
HAHAH ok that is brilliant but I don't think you can since the waivers are mostly just executive fiat. I guess you can make all exceptions illegal but that gets a bit murky.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:43 PM   #26
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:50 PM   #27
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HAHAH ok that is brilliant but I don't think you can since the waivers are mostly just executive fiat. I guess you can make all exceptions illegal but that gets a bit murky.
Republicans aren't going to shut down the government over Obamacare. Pointing out the terrible things in the law on the national stage is the only thing republicans are going to gain so they might as well use the opportunity for 2014.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:53 PM   #28
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Here are links to budgets proposed from the administration for the last 3 years and next fiscal year.
And why were all of those "budgets" rejected, instead of being passed????
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:55 PM   #29
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Ooooohhh! Look! Hamas has stats for us!

You have stats. We have leadership. Let's see which one wins.
You are almost too stupid to insult. Your "leadership" is costing you in opinion polls. By all means, please rely on self-conjured narratives. I'm sure this one will be just as helpful as the biased polls were.

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Sorry, Romney won the Independents 50%-45% in the 2012 election.

Try again.
So, in your opinion, the best move is to piss them off, since you still lost even though you won them narrowly.

And you wonder why the "Know-nothing" pejorative has resurfaced.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:56 PM   #30
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And why were all of those "budgets" rejected, instead of being passed????
Haven't you heard? It was Bush the Republican's fault.
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