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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

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Old 09-28-2013, 08:20 PM   #1381
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This isn't the metric in which the team is measured.

The metric is performance. It's really that simple. If this offense clicks into gear (which they should), and if, in the next few years, they're able to consistently go deep in the playoffs with Alex Smith behind center, then he's fine, and the trade was fine, regardless of who they coulda/shoulda/woulda had. Hell, he'll be the most popular guy in KC. Look how much everyone loves Trent Green, and he never even won a playoff game (through no real fault of his own)....

People are understandably concerned that we're seeing a familiar script play out. There are other ways to go about it, concerning the quarterback position. But in the end what ultimately matters is performance.
I've said this before.
I firmly believe that the only thing that separates Alex Smith and Drew Brees is confidence.

Alex Smith has similar arm strength, is more mobile, and has better physical tools overall.
He has the football IQ.

But he plays timid.

If Andy Reid could get him to play with the confidence that Brees plays with, he could easily be the guy we all hope to have.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:26 PM   #1382
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OK, here's the deal Mr. QB man. We Chiefs fans are wounded animals. So we're just gonna go ahead and hate you with all our heart for a while. But it's OK, because if you do everything right we might realize a few years from now that we should've supported you all along. Don't worry about anything short of perfection, for that way there be bitches, . . . and you're not a bitch are you Mr. QB man? I mean, right now, in my mind, you are a worthless bitch, but I'm giving you a chance to change my mind some day.
Aside from an obvious attention whore or two, who's ever acted even remotely like this?
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:26 PM   #1383
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I do have to laugh at the notion that people assume that this is a battle for respectability.

I know this for sure. John Dorsey didn't come here for that. I know that up until the past two seasons, the Eagles weren't satisfied with just being in the playoffs. I don't think there is a soul here who would bitch moan and complain if the Chiefs were in the AFCCG 5 years straight.

I don't see that at all. None of their moves this year said to me, YUP, LETS GET BACK TO 8-8.
One did.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:32 PM   #1384
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One did.
That's based on your opinion of Smith.

But if there's any truth to speculation that Reid has coveted Smith in the past, and belives he can raise his game, then, no, that was not a move to achieve 8-8.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:37 PM   #1385
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That's based on your opinion of Smith.

But if there's any truth to speculation that Reid has coveted Smith in the past, and belives he can raise his game, then, no, that was not a move to achieve 8-8.
I believe that during Smith's prime years, Reid probably could have raised his game.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:38 PM   #1386
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I believe the best way to find your franchise QB is in the first round of the draft, but I never maintained that it is the only way.

I believe the best way to sustain success for a long period of time is to find a young QB just approaching his prime if you feel there is someone worth trading for or signing in free agency, as a 29-30 year old only has 4 or 5 years of prime remaining, and only 3 Qbs over the age of 33 have won SBs.
Of the available QBs, who was better than Alex Smith that fits your qualifications?
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #1387
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Of the available QBs, who was better than Alex Smith that fits your qualifications?
Would it matter?

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I believe that during Smith's prime years, Reid probably could have raised his game.
Smith is in his prime.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:58 PM   #1388
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Would it matter?



Smith is in his prime.
I was referring to the years that Singletary wrecked him. I realize that with the new protection rules that QB's are playing longer, but do you see Smith being viable in to his mid-30's? And do you envision Reid teaching said old dog new tricks in that time? Sweet Jesus...
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Would it matter?
Yes, because if there was no one better this offseason than Alex Smith all the anger about him is misplaced. If there was someone better we passed up then it would be justified. I'm asking what you think. I think he was the best available QB for our situation.
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Yes, because if there was no one better this offseason than Alex Smith all the anger about him is misplaced. If there was someone better we passed up then it would be justified. I'm asking what you think. I think he was the best available QB for our situation.
That determination is still in-process, broseph.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:10 PM   #1391
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Yes, because if there was no one better this offseason than Alex Smith all the anger about him is misplaced. If there was someone better we passed up then it would be justified. I'm asking what you think. I think he was the best available QB for our situation.
And what is our situation?
What do you hope for from Smith?
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I was referring to the years that Singletary wrecked him. I realize that with the new protection rules that QB's are playing longer, but do you see Smith being viable in to his mid-30's? And do you envision Reid teaching said old dog new tricks in that time? Sweet Jesus...
He hadn't reached his prime in the Singletary years.

I would hope a smart player would respond to coaching within months and he would be viable for the next 5 to 6 years.
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He hadn't reached his prime in the Singletary years.

I would hope a smart player would respond to coaching within months and he would be viable for the next 5 to 6 years.
You see another 5 to 6 years of playing time from Alex Smith? Hopefully not for us, but just as a general rule?
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You see another 5 to 6 years of playing time from Alex Smith? Hopefully not for us, but just as a general rule?
Yes.
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Yes.
I defer to your wisdom.
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