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Old 09-29-2013, 09:25 PM  
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Why do Dems hate the individuals of this country?

Seriously? It's a simple question. Obama gives businesses a pass for a year on his cluster **** of a healthcare plan yet insists that us Serfs be forced to take part of said cluster ****.

And you cannot deny it's a cluster **** or it wouldn't be getting delayed for businesses, now would it?

So as the Repubs offer a bill that states if you delay it for business you delay it for individuals, the Dems say no.

Question is, Why? I thought the Dems were all about "the people" and what not?
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:01 AM   #31
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Why do the Democrats prevent me, sweatshop owner, from hiring nothing but 11 year old illegals working 14 hour days?? Free market, amirite.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:06 AM   #32
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Why do the Democrats prevent me, sweatshop owner, from hiring nothing but 11 year old illegals working 14 hour days?? Free market, amirite.
Won't let 'em work, but they'll let 'em vote! Amirite people? Yeah!
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:11 AM   #33
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You know you're completely off the rails when you analogize ****ing a box turtle/toaster to gay marriage....
Be sure to let me know if and when that happens.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:14 AM   #34
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Won't let 'em work, but they'll let 'em vote! Amirite people? Yeah!
Since when can 11 year olds vote?
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:16 AM   #35
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It appears that we are at an impasse.



Waitaminnit?

Could you perhaps enunciate what you perceive my argument to be? That might help.
OK. It seems to me that you are saying that the gay marriage issue doesn't involve control over individuals because the federal government isn't making gay marriage illegal. I'm saying that the government controls our lives through (among other things) taxes, because you mentioned marrying your toaster or claiming your toaster as a dependent. One simple way for the local government to exert control is to fail to recognize a gay marriage, changing the taxes that a couple is charged.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:20 AM   #36
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OK. It seems to me that you are saying that the gay marriage issue doesn't involve control over individuals because the federal government isn't making gay marriage illegal. I'm saying that the government controls our lives through (among other things) taxes, because you mentioned marrying your toaster or claiming your toaster as a dependent. One simple way for the local government to exert control is to fail to recognize a gay marriage, changing the taxes that a couple is charged.
Moreover, imposing a penalty for failing to obtain health insurance is pretty much f'ing identical to imposing higher taxes on a gay couple in a committed relationship from a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage. Both are the result of someone's political agenda regarding the appropriateness of behavior.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:21 AM   #37
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Since when can 11 year olds vote?
Since Obama and Acorn rigged the system, that's since when! ESPECIALLY if they are illegal. The more illegal, the better. Bah ha ha ha
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:26 AM   #38
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Missouri R's just passed a bill preventing uninsured drivers from being reimbursed for non-economic losses caused by at-fault drivers. So it's cool to punish failure to buy insurance at the state level but not at the national level exactly why??
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:29 AM   #39
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Moreover, imposing a penalty for failing to obtain health insurance is pretty much f'ing identical to imposing higher taxes on a gay couple in a committed relationship from a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage. Both are the result of someone's political agenda regarding the appropriateness of behavior.
I agree.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:37 AM   #40
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OK. It seems to me that you are saying that the gay marriage issue doesn't involve control over individuals because the federal government isn't making gay marriage illegal. I'm saying that the government controls our lives through (among other things) taxes, because you mentioned marrying your toaster or claiming your toaster as a dependent. One simple way for the local government to exert control is to fail to recognize a gay marriage, changing the taxes that a couple is charged.
I'm not saying that the government exercises ABSOLUTELY NO control over the lives of citizens.

But your reasoning posits some kind of chicken AND egg synchrogenesis where the legislative decision to socially engineer via the tax code regarding traditional marriages simultaneously created this right to the same benefit for anyone who could ever feasibly assert a similar standing. You seem to assume that all citizens are either gay married or straight married.

Arguing that the tax code alone is excessive government intrusion into our lives is akin to arguing that toll roads and speed limits are excessive intrusion into our travel plans.

Of course government exercises a degree of control by purse strings, licensing, policing, etc. But gay marriage isn't an extraordinary circumstance in that respect. Tax breaks for traditional marriages is no more unfair to the gay married than it is to the single, divorced, or widowed.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:09 PM   #41
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I'm not saying that the government exercises ABSOLUTELY NO control over the lives of citizens.
This statement has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

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But your reasoning posits some kind of chicken AND egg synchrogenesis where the legislative decision to socially engineer via the tax code regarding traditional marriages simultaneously created this right to the same benefit for anyone who could ever feasibly assert a similar standing. You seem to assume that all citizens are either gay married or straight married.
I am refreshed to see you admit that the tax code regarding married couples is social engineering via legislation. The question that everyone should be asking is why is it valid for our government to be doing exactly that, and what benefit to our society is this supposed to be accomplishing? You seem to assume that there is an inherent benefit to a heterosexual marriage that can not exist in a homosexual one.

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Arguing that the tax code alone is excessive government intrusion into our lives is akin to arguing that toll roads and speed limits are excessive intrusion into our travel plans.
Again, this statement has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

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Of course government exercises a degree of control by purse strings, licensing, policing, etc. But gay marriage isn't an extraordinary circumstance in that respect. Tax breaks for traditional marriages is no more unfair to the gay married than it is to the single, divorced, or widowed.
Then the only sensible thing to do would be to either eliminate those breaks, or include any partnership that creates this mysterious benefit that the breaks were designed for.
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