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Old 10-03-2013, 01:22 PM  
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Republicans starting to eat their own over gov't shutdown.

Predictable.

Still a bit surprising that so many Republicans have found themselves hamstrung by the ridiculous rhetoric of Tea Partiers who, as far as I know, aren't even a majority in the party.

I think it really does break down how ridiculously reliant this party is on Fox News and talk radio, because those are the only forces driving this kamikaze mission to shutdown the government to defund Obamacare.

Businesses don't want this strategy, Americans don't want this strategy, independents don't want this strategy, and the market doesn't want this strategy.

The one pocket of resistance behind this entire thing is the Tea Party GOP base, driven by the rhetoric of rightwing media.

Why doesn't the GOP expunge this nonsense and find itself again? Do we really have to wait for President Christie before that happens?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...own-97753.html

Some GOP colleagues angry with Ted Cruz
By MANU RAJU
10/2/13 7:31 PM EDT Updated: 10/3/13 2:45 PM EDT

Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.

At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate’s Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown — or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.

Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.

Cruz’s response: “I will not,” according to an attendee.

The closed-door Wednesday meetings hosted by the Senate’s conservative Steering Committee are supposed to be private, so senators interviewed for this article asked not to be named.

“It seems that there is nothing the media likes to cover more than disagreements among Republicans, and apparently some senators are content to fuel those stories with anonymous quotes,” Cruz told POLITICO. “Regardless, my focus — and, I would hope, the focus of the rest of the conference — is on stopping Harry Reid’s shutdown, ensuring that vital government priorities are funded, and preventing the enormous harms that Obamacare is inflicting on millions of Americans.”

But as the government shutdown heads into day three, a number of Republican senators privately blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess their party finds itself in. And now that they’re in it, they say it’s up to Cruz to help find a solution.

“It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn’t have a strategy – he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was,” said one senator who attended the meeting. “I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch.”

Over the August recess, Cruz made the rounds with conservative media and held rallies to call on his GOP colleagues to oppose any bill to keep the government running that would also continue funding Obamacare. As he won support on the right and among several dozen House conservatives, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) agreed to include the Obamacare defunding provision in a bill to keep the government running past Tuesday.

Cruz’s tactics culminated in a controversial 21-hour floor speech, where he derided many of his colleagues for lacking the courage to fight Obamacare. But because of complicated Senate procedures, he was calling on his 45 other GOP colleagues to filibuster the same House bill he endorsed — in order to prevent Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) from later stripping out that language

Including Cruz, just 19 Republicans backed his filibuster attempt, and Reid later killed the Obamacare language with just Democratic votes.

At the Wednesday lunch, Cruz was asked what he would have done had GOP senators united to filibuster the House bill.

“He kept trying to change the subject because he never could answer the question,” the senator said. “It’s pretty evident it’s never been about a strategy – it’s been about him. That’s unfortunate. I think he’s done our country a major disservice. I think he’s done Republicans a major disservice.”

In the run-up to the Tuesday deadline to fund the government, Cruz continued to press the anti-Obamcare fight, lobbying House conservatives to stiffen Boehner’s spine despite the prospects of a government shutdown. The speaker responded with bill after bill taking aim at pieces of the health care law. But Senate Democrats rejected each one up until the final hours of Monday night, prompting the first government shutdown since 1996.

Many Senate Republicans publicly and privately scoffed at the Cruz tactics, arguing that he was making a false and politically damaging promise that he could use the funding bill to gut Obamacare — since the law moved forward anyway on Tuesday despite the government shutdown. They argued President Barack Obama would never agree to gut his signature law. And they took great exception by Cruz and his allies in outside groups like the Senate Conservatives Fund to portray them as weak on Obamcare even though the party has furiously battled the law since the beginning of the president’s term in office.

“The entire effort has been totally disingenuous,” the senator said.

A spokesman for SCF rejected the criticism.

“If these senators had pledged to oppose funding for Obamacare, we wouldn’t have had to run ads against them,” said Executive Director Matt Hoskins. “They only have themselves to blame.”
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #46
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Do you agree, or disagree, with post #42.
Since itís obvious youíre arguing just to hear your pea rattle, as you attempted to accuse me of, I didnít waste my time reading it. Sorry.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #47
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The Repubs are definitely trying to leverage political capitol by doing this and the Obamas are trying to make it as painful as possible on Joe Public to make the Repubs look bad.

Douchebags across the board that need a lesson in basic economics.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:11 PM   #48
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Since itís obvious youíre arguing just to hear your pea rattle, as you attempted to accuse me of, I didnít waste my time reading it. Sorry.
Right.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:13 PM   #49
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So, we/they win the house more than two years ago and this is all they can come up with. ya, great leaders.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:16 PM   #50
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Since it’s obvious you’re arguing just to hear your pea rattle, as you attempted to accuse me of, I didn’t waste my time reading it. Sorry.
I will still quickly glance at his groupie bullshit threads but never bother wasting the time replying to the worthless shitbag. As always someone like you will be kind enough to try to discuss a topic with him. It always ends the same with him going through his list of prepared replies without even caring what the what the other person said. His well rehearsed act is pathetic~
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:34 PM   #51
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I will still quickly glance at his groupie bullshit threads but never bother wasting the time replying to the worthless shitbag. As always someone like you will be kind enough to try to discuss a topic with him. It always ends the same with him going through his list of prepared replies without even caring what the what the other person said. His well rehearsed act is pathetic~
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:41 PM   #52
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hi KC how have you been? I understand your desire to desperately cling on to anyone who will side with you. Hey direkshun KC is defending you! Someone please bumb this so the mods cannot claim they didn't see this
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:50 PM   #53
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hi KC how have you been? I understand your desire to desperately cling on to anyone who will side with you. Hey direkshun KC is defending you! Someone please bumb this so the mods cannot claim they didn't see this
Are you already drunk dipshit?

I have minimal interaction with direck. How is pointing out that your posting style is exactly what you claimed Direck's is clinging to direck?

Do you know what irony is?
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:50 PM   #54
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hi KC how have you been? I understand your desire to desperately cling on to anyone who will side with you. Hey direkshun KC is defending you! Someone please bumb this so the mods cannot claim they didn't see this
bumb? bumb? where's the bumb?

oh, i thought you said bomb with an eastern european accent...
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:58 PM   #55
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Where have we heard this before. Move on. Midterms will be a bloodbath for incumbants on both sides. If dems force default get back. Gonna be ugly. Dems hold two votes to one. Harry and Barry. Its their call
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:22 PM   #56
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Are you already drunk dipshit?

I have minimal interaction with direck. How is pointing out that your posting style is exactly what you claimed Direck's is clinging to direck?

Do you know what irony is?
Yes and I know what a shitbag is also. You both fit that description rather well~
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:25 PM   #57
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bumb? bumb? where's the bumb?

oh, i thought you said bomb with an eastern european accent...
Oh I am just making sure the mods see that for my internet badass buddy KC in case he gets banned again and starts crying like a girl again~
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Republicans always eat their own. Why should this be any different. Only the commie dems stand together through everything, like the gun walker scandal, IRS scandal, AP scandal, Benghazi scandal. The commie dems never eat their own except over sex tapes.
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