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Old 10-03-2013, 05:02 PM  
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Should we default on the nation's debts over Obamacare?

Take whatever position you want: that you want Obamacare repealed, that you want a couple parts of it repealed, that you want it to be delayed...

Whatever position you anti-ACAers adopt these days, and answer this question:

Do you believe we should default on our debts because Obamacare is being implemented in its current form?
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:44 PM   #226
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In all honesty. Step aside congress and let obama have his ACA. Let him & the Dems own it.
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:08 PM   #227
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Dnt you talk about my POTUS like that. I voted for him 35 times. My father may he RIP voted for him 10 times. My mom who is unable to walk or leave the house voted for Romney
Im sorry. You are a great American.
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:11 PM   #228
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Im sorry. You are a great American.
Well daaaaaa! I voted for Joe Biden
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:13 PM   #229
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Well daaaaaa! I voted for Joe Biden
Well who didnt?
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:47 PM   #230
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Well who didnt?
I told you. My crippled up mom. She's a RWNJ that voted for Romney. Listens to Christian radio & has Glen Beck wallpaper up in every room. You know the kind
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:47 PM   #231
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Of course an ACTUAL default would screw us 10 ways from Sunday.
Why are supposedly intelligent people on the right trying to sell that a default won;t be that bad?

If you want to decrease the deficit and debt, avoiding a default will be the most bang for your buck action that you can do. Doesn't cost you an additional penny.

But, it we actually default on our debt........ We are screwed.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:28 AM   #232
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Why are supposedly intelligent people on the right trying to sell that a default won;t be that bad?

If you want to decrease the deficit and debt, avoiding a default will be the most bang for your buck action that you can do. Doesn't cost you an additional penny.

But, it we actually default on our debt........ We are screwed.
I don't think they are (they're nuts if they are) I think they are differentiating between a true default on debt and what the Dems are calling a default.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:33 AM   #233
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See my last post regarding this mistaken thinking on credit ratings. We ALREADY are at a lower rating because we have proven that we can't compromise. That doesn't mean that staying in the same spot (politically) is going to cause us to get an even WORSE rating.

As for deficit spending, yes it has been status quo for a long time. BUT THERE ARE LIMITS. When your interest payments start to approach a significant chunk of revenue than you are in trouble. That is where we are now (or are quickly approaching). That makes the situation NOW different from 30 years ago. It's reaching unsustainable levels and the credit agencies are taking notice. That is by far a bigger threat. (Except of course an ACTUAL default)
and it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't...
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:35 AM   #234
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and it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't...
As I said in a different post this is true. Anything could happen. Hell, unicorns could take over America and rain down gold to solve the deficit! Obviously the situation you posit isn't that far fetched. I just don't see anyone offering a solid rationale why the same "threat" of default will cause a worsening of our rating UNLESS this one is substantially worse in some way. So far it isn't.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:45 AM   #235
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As I said in a different post this is true. Anything could happen. Hell, unicorns could take over America and rain down gold to solve the deficit! Obviously the situation you posit isn't that far fetched. I just don't see anyone offering a solid rationale why the same "threat" of default will cause a worsening of our rating UNLESS this one is substantially worse in some way. So far it isn't.
i understand your point, i'm just not convinced the ratings agencies will agree...

i think our rating will continue to go down the longer we are unable to overcome our institutional impotency...

but i could be wrong, i've never slept at a holiday inn express...
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:59 AM   #236
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If its that good what is obama worried about
The real question is what are the Republicans afraid of? They didn't schedule this shutdown for the same day the Obamacare exchanges opened for business by coincidence. They are terrified it will be successful.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:14 AM   #237
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i understand your point, i'm just not convinced the ratings agencies will agree...

i think our rating will continue to go down the longer we are unable to overcome our institutional impotency...

but i could be wrong, i've never slept at a holiday inn express...
I definitely could be wrong as well. They are a mysterious bunch and it's not in my power to know what sneaky thinking goes on with them.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:54 AM   #238
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The real question is what are the Republicans afraid of? They didn't schedule this shutdown for the same day the Obamacare exchanges opened for business by coincidence. They are terrified it will be successful.
Hey dum-dum.

Ever hear of a 'fiscal year?'

Any awareness that this deadline was 'scheduled' decades ago?

Or are you under some illusion that Reps had anything to do with when the exchanges opened?
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:03 AM   #239
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It didn't "come from" him. It came from Rs who for the first time, threatened to allow default to such an extent that the credit agencies believed them.
How much has our debt increased since he took office? Here, let me help you with that. This is from CBS News, so you can't argue with it, since they are so damned liberal. This was as of March 1, 2013.

Less than two months into President Obama's second term, new numbers show the national debt increased by more than $6 trillion since he took office.

It's the largest increase to date under any U.S. president. During the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush, the debt soared by $4.9 trillion.

Without fanfare, the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department quietly posted its daily debt report showing the total public debt of the U.S. government topped $16.687 trillion. (To be exact: $16,687,289,180,215.37)

On January 20, 2009, the day Mr. Obama took office, the debt stood at $10.626 trillion. The latest posting reflects an increase of over $6 trillion.

The dubious fiscal milestone came on same day as Mr. Obama and congressional leaders met to discuss the $85 billion in automatic indiscriminate spending cuts that start to take effect today.

Now, what do you have to say about that, ChorrosMo?
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Hey dum-dum.

Ever hear of a 'fiscal year?'

Any awareness that this deadline was 'scheduled' decades ago?

Or are you under some illusion that Reps had anything to do with when the exchanges opened?
Hey, dum dum, they have CRs that don't end on the fiscal year all the time. They could just as easily made it for the end of the year like they did last year. The Republicans have been planning this shutdown since January.

Here you go Baby Lee:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us...ning.html?_r=0

You didn't think I just made this shit up did you?

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