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Old 10-08-2013, 06:23 PM  
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Stewart to Sebelius on health care law “Am I a stupid man?”

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(CNN) - "The Daily Show" took a more serious turn Monday night when host Jon Stewart introduced his guest for the evening, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Sebelius, who has been on a media blitz in recent weeks as the health care exchanges for the Affordable Care Act opened for business on October 1st, has appeared on multiple networks to promote the new law and to attempt to tamp criticism of its rollout.

As the secretary sat down to begin the segment, Stewart opened a laptop on his desk. “I’m going to attempt to download every movie ever made, and you’re going to try to sign up for Obamacare, and we’ll see which happens first.”

Sebelius admitted the website rollout “started a little rockier than we’d like,” but said the administration had been working to make improvements. “It’s better today than it was yesterday, and it will keep getting better.”

The sign-up websites were offline for part of the weekend as efforts were made to fix multiple glitches that caused delays for many who attempted to use the program in the first few days.

When asked how many individuals had signed up for insurance so far, Sebelius admitted, “I can’t tell you, because I don’t know ... we will be giving monthly reports.” She added that hundreds of thousands of accounts had been created, which indicated to the administration that those consumers “are going to go shopping” for insurance as the next step.

The segment became more contentious as the Comedy Central host turned to the subject of the individual mandate, specifically the fact that while many businesses were given a one-year delay to comply with the law, individuals were not.

“If I’m an individual that doesn’t want this, it would be hard for me to look at a big business getting a waiver," Stewart said. "I would feel like you are favoring big business because they lobbied you ... but you’re not allowing individuals that same courtesy.”

Sebelius denied that was the case, but danced around answering the question directly, sticking instead to talking points.

After pressing her further on the issue to no avail, a somewhat exasperated Stewart finally smiled and asked, “Am I a stupid man?”

Later, as he threw to commercial, Stewart said he still was “not sure why individuals can’t delay” and asked the secretary if he could keep asking her that same question when they returned.

Later, while addressing the issue of businesses cutting back hours for employees to avoid having to provide health care under the new regulations, Sebelius held firm. “Economists, not anecdotal folks, but economists, say there is absolutely no evidence that part-time work is going up. In fact, it’s going down,” she said. The secretary also said that for the first time ever, part-time employees in the United Sates would now have the option to purchase health insurance under the new law.

Toward the end, Stewart argued that a market-based strategy toward health care is a flawed concept in itself and that a single payer system would have been a more simple approach. But Sebelius jumped in, saying, “if we could have perhaps figured out a pathway, that may have been a reasonable solution.”

“So this is jerry-rigged to deal with the crazy people?” Stewart asked.

“I think the president did not want to dismantle the health care that 85% of the country had," Sebelius responded.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:51 PM   #16
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I got notice that my current Blue Cross policy will no longer be acceptable after Jan. 1st & I need to select a new policy. I choose one of those under $100 ones please.
Stop lying, dude, we all know you can keep your current plan if you like it.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:52 PM   #17
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but..but...but...

Stewarts just a left wing hack who is more biased than Keith Olberman.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:04 PM   #18
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Stop lying, dude, we all know you can keep your current plan if you like it.


Honestly, I was pretty surprised when I got the letter.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:05 PM   #19
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but..but...but...

Stewarts just a left wing hack who is more biased than Keith Olberman.
Maybe it's the humor involved but I've always enjoyed watching him when I do.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:07 PM   #20
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Was it Nixon that stated he had "lost the people" when he saw Walter Cronkite give a scathing editorial about Nixon's presidency on national TV? Jon Stewart is no Cronkite by a wide, wide margin, but I'd say he's got the attention of a ton of voting Americans , not to mention pretty left leaning and friendly to the democratic cause (duh). The dems can't be liking that he did this.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:33 AM   #21
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**** Jon Stewart. How many times can he refer to non left wing liberals as "crazy people" before we stop giving him publicity?
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:46 AM   #22
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Even though his humor leans heavily in favor of the Left I have always found Stewart funny and is usually willing to at least acknowledge differing opinion. Bill Maher who I “once” found funny has become so superior and smarmy that I no longer enjoy his show. I watched this episode and thought Sebelius was amazingly inept at answering a few easy questions. I imagine she was surprised to get tougher questions than the “real” media seems to ask these days.

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Old 10-09-2013, 09:57 AM   #23
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Was it Nixon that stated he had "lost the people" when he saw Walter Cronkite give a scathing editorial about Nixon's presidency on national TV? Jon Stewart is no Cronkite by a wide, wide margin, but I'd say he's got the attention of a ton of voting Americans , not to mention pretty left leaning and friendly to the democratic cause (duh). The dems can't be liking that he did this.

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Even though his humor leans heavily in favor of the Left I have always found Stewart funny and is usually willing to at least acknowledge differing opinion. Bill Maher who I “once” found funny has become so superior and smarmy that I no longer enjoy his show. I watched this episode and thought Sebelius was amazingly inept at answering a few easy questions. I imagine she was surprised to get tougher questions than the “real” media seems to ask these days.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:24 AM   #26
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I've got a question I would like someone to explain to me. Preferably without all of the whole "OMG, Obamacare suckz bawlz" or "OMG, Obamacare is going to save us" BS.

I don't care which side of the aisle you are on, I really am just looking for a legitimate answer.

I get notice that my insurance plan is essentially not good enough and is going to be discontinued Dec. 31st with this message:

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Your current healthcare plan does not meet the benefit standards specified in the new health care reform law and will be discontinued after December 31.
No indication what portion doesn't meet the new standards, but whatever. So, I go to the link the paper gives me for BCBS of KS so that I can view all these other plans. Probably 13-15 plans listed ranging from $650 - $1200 (these are family plans FYI).

So, I immediately skip over the Bronze plans because the Family deductibles on them are anywhere from $12,000 - $15,000/year. As I'm going through the next level of plans (silver I think) and comparing them, I come across the exact plan I'm currently on....for the exact same price that I'm paying now.

I'm sure there some minor difference, but seriously. Deductibles are the same, copays are the same, prescriptions are the same, hell even the price is the same. So why the **** do I need to get off of the plan I'm on to get onto the plan I'm on?
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:33 AM   #27
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I've got a question I would like someone to explain to me. Preferably without all of the whole "OMG, Obamacare suckz bawlz" or "OMG, Obamacare is going to save us" BS.

I don't care which side of the aisle you are on, I really am just looking for a legitimate answer.

I get notice that my insurance plan is essentially not good enough and is going to be discontinued Dec. 31st with this message:

No indication what portion doesn't meet the new standards, but whatever. So, I go to the link the paper gives me for BCBS of KS so that I can view all these other plans. Probably 13-15 plans listed ranging from $650 - $1200 (these are family plans FYI).

So, I immediately skip over the Bronze plans because the Family deductibles on them are anywhere from $12,000 - $15,000/year. As I'm going through the next level of plans (silver I think) and comparing them, I come across the exact plan I'm currently on....for the exact same price that I'm paying now.

I'm sure there some minor difference, but seriously. Deductibles are the same, copays are the same, prescriptions are the same, hell even the price is the same. So why the **** do I need to get off of the plan I'm on to get onto the plan I'm on?
what actually is considered covered? As in services and procedures?
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:39 AM   #28
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I've got a question I would like someone to explain to me. Preferably without all of the whole "OMG, Obamacare suckz bawlz" or "OMG, Obamacare is going to save us" BS.

I don't care which side of the aisle you are on, I really am just looking for a legitimate answer.

I get notice that my insurance plan is essentially not good enough and is going to be discontinued Dec. 31st with this message:

No indication what portion doesn't meet the new standards, but whatever. So, I go to the link the paper gives me for BCBS of KS so that I can view all these other plans. Probably 13-15 plans listed ranging from $650 - $1200 (these are family plans FYI).

So, I immediately skip over the Bronze plans because the Family deductibles on them are anywhere from $12,000 - $15,000/year. As I'm going through the next level of plans (silver I think) and comparing them, I come across the exact plan I'm currently on....for the exact same price that I'm paying now.

I'm sure there some minor difference, but seriously. Deductibles are the same, copays are the same, prescriptions are the same, hell even the price is the same. So why the **** do I need to get off of the plan I'm on to get onto the plan I'm on?
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:46 AM   #29
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what actually is considered covered? As in services and procedures?
Here are the two plans I am looking at. The one on the left is my current plan, the one on the right ($40 more per month) is the comparison I was looking at.



PreventiveIn Network$0. Preventive is without cost share.$0. Preventive is without cost share.
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
DeductibleIn Network$2,500 person/$5,000 family$3,000 person / $6,000 family
Out of Network$5,000 person/$10,000 family$6,000 person/$12,000 family
CoinsuranceIn Network20%20%
Out of Network50%50%
Coinsurance maximumIn NetworkN/AN/A
Out of Network$7,000 person/$14,000 family$12,000 person/$24,000 family
Annual out-of-pocket maximumIn Network$5,200 person/$10,400 family$6,000 person/$12,000 family
Out of NetworkN/AN/A
Doctor's Office Visit
Office visit - primaryIn Network$35 copay/visit, 5 visits per person at copay then subject to deductible and 20% coinsurance$35 copay/visit
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Office visit - specialistIn Network$70 copay/visit$70 copay/visit
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Prescription Drug Coverage
GenericIn Network$100 person/$200 family deductible then subject 50% coinsurance$15 copay
Out of Network
BrandIn Network$100 person/$200 family deductible then subject to 50% coinsurance$50 copay
Out of Network
Non-formularyIn Network$100 person/$200 family deductible then subject to 50% coinsurance$75 copay
Out of Network
SpecialtyIn Network$100 person/$200 family deductible then subject to 50% coinsurance$150 copay
Out of Network
Mail orderIn Network$100 person/$200 family deductible then subject to 50% coinsurance$37.50 generic/$125.00 preferred/$187.50 non-preferred/$375.00 specialty 3 month supply
Out of Network$15 generic/$50 preferred/$75 non-preferred/$150 specialty 30 day supply
Medical Services
Emergency room servicesIn Network$300 copay then subject to deductible and 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of Network
Emergency medical transportationIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Inpatient surgery physician/surgical servicesIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Inpatient facility feeIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Outpatient facility fee/ASCIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Outpatient surgery physician/surgical servicesIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Outpatient lab and radiologyIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Advanced imagingIn Network$250 copay then 100%Deductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
InjectionsIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Recovery & Special Needs
Outpatient rehabilitationIn Network$70 copay then 100%Deductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Outpatient habilitationIn Network$70 copay then 100%Deductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
HospiceIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
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Home health careIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
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Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Mental illness/substance use disorders outpatient servicesIn Network$35 copay/visit$35 copay/visit
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Maternity Coverage
Pre and postnatal office visitIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Labor and delivery hospital stayIn NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Dental & Vision
Pediatric dental (age 0-19)In NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Pediatric vision (age 0-19)In NetworkDeductible then 20% coinsuranceDeductible then 20% coinsurance
Out of NetworkDeductible then 50% coinsuranceDeductible then 50% coinsurance
Adult dental (age 20+)In NetworkNot CoveredNot Covered
Out of Network
Adult vision (age 20+)In NetworkNot CoveredNot Covered
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Lifetime maximumUnlimited for each covered personUnlimited for each covered person.
Eligible dependentsCovered to age 26Covered to age 26
Diabetic education$35 copay/visit$35 copay/visit then 100%
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