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Old 10-16-2013, 05:23 PM  
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If Ted Cruz didnít exist, Democrats would have to invent him

A true cynic about American politics would, at this point, be forced to one conclusion: Sen. Ted Cruz is a Democratic sleeper agent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...to-invent-him/

It is tough to appreciate just how much good Ted Cruz has done the Democrats over these last few weeks.

- He convinced Republicans to shut down the government rather than wait and fight over the debt ceiling, where they would have had more -- and more dangerous -- leverage.

- He splintered the Republican Party such that, from day one, it was clear that the GOP leadership opposed the strategy they were executing, and GOP senators were publicly blasting House Republicans. That also cut the GOP's leverage.

- He made this a fight over defunding Obamacare, which polls showed was a wildly unpopular reason to shut down the government, and which united Democrats against him.

- He shut the government down on Oct. 1, the same day Obamacare began, thus distracting the American people from the law's catastrophic rollout.

- He drove the Republican Party to its lowest levels of popularity ever recorded in polls.

- He actually managed to make Obamacare more popular at a time when, by all rights, the law's extremely troubled launch should've been eroding its standing in the polls.

- The culmination of the strategy, today, is that Republicans are reopening the government and raising the debt ceiling in return for...nothing.

There are no policy concessions from the Democrats (income verification is already part of Obamacare). There are no procedural concessions from the Democrats. Just the opposite, in fact.

Democrats managed to get the budget conference they've been pursuing for six months. They got a CR of the length they wanted and ending before the next sequestration cuts rather than six-month CR that Sen. Susan Collins proposed. They got a debt-ceiling increase all the way into February. This is far beyond what Democrats thought possible on Sept. 30.

But the strategy Ted Cruz managed to force on the GOP was so suicidal that Democrats felt comfortable forcing Republicans to cave completely. They were so confident that they managed to reject a deal proposed by Sen. Susan Collins and supported by many Senate Democrats because it funded the government for longer than the Democratic leadership preferred. That's a level of control over the outcome that Democrats never expected to have.

Going forward, not only will Republicans be afraid to shut down the government or threaten the debt ceiling again during this Congress, but if Republicans somehow end up doing it anyway, Democrats will be unafraid of the fight. As Democrats see it, if Republicans want to give a shutdown or a default another shot closer to the 2014 election, well, that's great news for Democratic congressional candidates.

Over the last 24 hours I've seen some Republicans complaining that President Obama and the Democrats are trying to break them. Their anger is misplaced. They should be angry at Ted Cruz for putting Republicans in a position to be broken.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:35 PM   #2
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:35 PM   #3
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No.

Repubs should be mad at themselves. They keep trying to fight with themselves. The tea party isn't going away, it's the old Rino's that are gone.

Of the elected officials the ONLY people to actually stand by what they say ae the tea party.

You don't have to like them, they don't care, they represent a growing population of people fed up with both R's and D's.

You can poll losers walking te streets or cnn viewers but the people that will vote for Cruz and their likes don't give a **** what you in California or New York think.

Repubs who vote for this will suffer, and if it means the death of the GOP then so be it.....

Sure dems win a few spots here and there, but once the new blooded tea parties gain national sway, you will be begging for the likes of boehner.

I myself will never vote GOP again, unless TP candidates run as R's

Am I throwing my vote away? Maybe, but a vote for shitty ass R's like McCain etc is a waste too
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #4
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...Maybe, but a vote for shitty ass R's like McCain etc is a waste too
A big reason why McCain lost to Obama? Picking Cruz's buddy Palin...
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:44 PM   #5
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No.

Repubs should be mad at themselves. They keep trying to fight with themselves. The tea party isn't going away, it's the old Rino's that are gone.

Of the elected officials the ONLY people to actually stand by what they say ae the tea party.

You don't have to like them, they don't care, they represent a growing population of people fed up with both R's and D's.

You can poll losers walking te streets or cnn viewers but the people that will vote for Cruz and their likes don't give a **** what you in California or New York think.

Repubs who vote for this will suffer, and if it means the death of the GOP then so be it.....

Sure dems win a few spots here and there, but once the new blooded tea parties gain national sway, you will be begging for the likes of boehner.

I myself will never vote GOP again, unless TP candidates run as R's

Am I throwing my vote away? Maybe, but a vote for shitty ass R's like McCain etc is a waste too
You should read this.

How the GOP Slowly Went Insane

You, the people you listen to, and the people you want to vote for, are now all seen by most people in this country as crazy.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:50 PM   #6
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You should read this.

How the GOP Slowly Went Insane

You, the people you listen to, and the people you want to vote for, are now all seen by most people in this country as crazy.
No thanks.

You want to turn is into so socialist free for everyone country and I want us to live within our means, and I'm the crazy one?
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:09 PM   #7
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You should read this.

How the GOP Slowly Went Insane

You, the people you listen to, and the people you want to vote for, are now all seen by most people in this country as crazy.
Slowly? The GOP has been insane for over a decade, the most insane among them are the war mongers who bought us losses in Iraq and Afghanistan, but claim they're wins, and now stand up to sell out any semblance of a conservative domestic agenda.

This fight was about Obamacare, but more to the point, it's about what a Republican even is. What we're finding out is that half of the Republican party sees itself as merely a conscience for Democrats to reign in spending a tad here and there, and go to war when it's profitable for their districts. And the other half actually has a conservative agenda that runs absolutely afoul of the Democrats hopes and dreams.

This isn't just about the Republican party splitting apart. It's about the nation coming apart at its seams and it's only going to get worse before it ever gets better.

The lesson that has been learned over the "hope and change" era is that you need to push whatever you can in whatever scorched earth way you can because when you succeed, you split the other party in half.

When the Democrats passed Obamacare through a procedural move without a single republican vote, they started the breakup of Republican party. It was a brilliant move politically, but it will prove to be problematic for this nation for the foreseeable future.

Scorched earth is the name of the game since Obama became president, and there's more of it to come.
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A big reason why McCain lost to Obama? Picking Cruz's buddy Palin...
Oh, this is news. Had he simply picked someone else, he could've won?
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:25 PM   #9
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You should read this.

How the GOP Slowly Went Insane

You, the people you listen to, and the people you want to vote for, are now all seen by most people in this country as crazy.
60% of Americans also disapprove of your hero in the White House. That makes you crazy too.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:53 PM   #10
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Oh, this is news. Had he simply picked someone else, he could've won?
Don't underestimate the level of batshit crazy Palin brought to the table. If McCain's advisors had the basic common sense to have never considered her and brought in a Paul Ryan type instead, he may well have still been in the White House today.

Yes, Sarah Palin is THAT toxic. But like you said, this isn't news.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:10 PM   #11
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:22 PM   #13
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Prove it.
PROVE he COULD HAVE won? Wow, the dumb is really thick in here tonight.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:28 PM   #14
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You, the people you listen to, and the people you want to vote for, are now all seen by most people in this country as crazy.
They keep being labeled as terrorists, wackjobs and everything else under the sun by both the democrats and their lapdog media. Eventually that will sink in with the cnn crowd. Very Alinsky like. Something scares you, you vilify it. Keep doing it until it sinks in. It's a great tactic. After the elections that were won by tea party candidates in 2010, is it any wonder the left wants to make tea party candidates out to be the boogeyman? How dare they defend the constitution?

But fortunately, your idea of "most people" is vastly overblown.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #15
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In my mind the Tea Party simply doesn't go far enough. They still like a level of social welfare that will bankrupt the nation and they like the government sticking its nose in places it simply does not belong.
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