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Old 10-16-2013, 09:44 PM  
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Would you trade Flowers next year?

For a 2nd round pick? We've seen the defense play just as good if not better without him.

If Cooper continues to play like he has been you have him on a 4 year 7th round pick deal.

You have to pay Justin Houston. I wouldn't be surprised to see Charles hold out given the way he's being used and his current bargain contract.

IIRC Berrys contract will be up in a few years too.

The defense is set the offense needs a lot of improvement obviously. An extra pick would help. I would make that trade.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:28 AM   #61
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For a 2nd round pick? We've seen the defense play just as good if not better without him.

If Cooper continues to play like he has been you have him on a 4 year 7th round pick deal.

You have to pay Justin Houston. I wouldn't be surprised to see Charles hold out given the way he's being used and his current bargain contract.

IIRC Berrys contract will be up in a few years too.

The defense is set the offense needs a lot of improvement obviously. An extra pick would help. I would make that trade.
So far, Cooper has stepped up ....other than that breakaway TD for Oakland. I would trade flowers for a 2nd if Cooper continues to trend upward
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:54 AM   #62
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Why do chiefs fans start thread about trading high quality players every season?
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:54 AM   #63
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So far, Cooper has stepped up ....other than that breakaway TD for Oakland. I would trade flowers for a 2nd if Cooper continues to trend upward
JFC. CBs' get beat on slants sometimes. Even good ones. It's a hard route to defend.

It's a 10 yard gain if Demps isn't clear out of position. Cooper allowed the catch but Demps is largely responsible for the TD.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:21 AM   #64
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:21 AM   #65
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Teams are finding they need at least three or more CBs capable of playing. The fact that we have Berry who can play multiple positions is a bonus. We have other ways of saving the money we need.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:22 AM   #66
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:24 AM   #67
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:28 AM   #68
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I think some people are jumping the gun with Cooper. Sure, he's played wonderful... In three games. Flowers has consistently been top five to ten most of his career
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:35 AM   #69
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In 2011 Flowers signed a 6yr, ~$50 million contract with $22mill guaranteed.
In 2013 he restructured $4million salary into a signing bonus that would be spread out over 4yrs (i.e. helped the team save $3 mill against this yrs cap).

If the chiefs trade Flowers, than the chiefs would still have at least $6 million against the cap (likely all in 2014 because it would accelerate).

So for example, If Flowers is a chief in 2014 he would count $7.25 million against the cap. If the chiefs traded flowers, than he would still count at least $6 million against the cap.

It doesnt seem trading flowers is worth it since the team hasnt consistently shown it can draft well. Team would be trading a sure thing for, at best, a 50/50 prospect.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:36 AM   #70
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Why do chiefs fans start thread about trading high quality players every season?
Look no further than the Dolt that asked the question.....
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:36 AM   #71
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Why do chiefs fans start thread about trading high quality players every season?
In the NFL, you have to make choices. I'd rather trade a good player than let one walk as a FA. IMO, Flowers is a guy that might not have a long shelf life. He's missed time due to injuries to both legs this year. Even when he has played, teams are throwing at him.

I don't think we could get a second round pick for him, but I'd gladly take it if offered. Getting seven good years out of a second round pick and then getting your pick back is a huge win.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:38 AM   #72
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In 2011 Flowers signed a 6yr, ~$50 million contract with $22mill guaranteed.
In 2013 he restructured $4million salary into a signing bonus that would be spread out over 4yrs (i.e. helped the team save $3 mill against this yrs cap).

If the chiefs trade Flowers, than the chiefs would still have at least $6 million against the cap (likely all in 2014 because it would accelerate).

So for example, If Flowers is a chief in 2014 he would count $7.25 million against the cap. If the chiefs traded flowers, than he would still count at least $6 million against the cap.

It doesnt seem trading flowers is worth it since the team hasnt consistently shown it can draft well. Team would be trading a sure thing for, at best, a 50/50 prospect.
Are you sure you aren't confusing what would happen if we traded him with what would happen if we cut him from a cap standpoint?
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:40 AM   #73
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This place melted down when we didn't pay Carr $50MM and now people are suggesting to trade Flowers because a late round draft pick cut by another team has had 3 solid games.

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Old 10-17-2013, 08:43 AM   #75
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Are you sure you aren't confusing what would happen if we traded him with what would happen if we cut him from a cap standpoint?
When a player is cut all the guaranteed money (including signing bonus and salaries) are accelerated.

When a player is traded the original team is on the hook for the signing bonus (since it was paid at the time the contract is signed), but the new team is on the hook for other, not yet paid, guaranteed money (i.e. not paid guaranteed salary, workout bonuses, etc).

Chiefs are still on the hook for signing bonus money regardless.

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