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Old 10-22-2013, 09:52 AM  
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Canada's death panels

Canada's death panels
Last week Canadaís Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto familyís decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canadaís most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the familyís choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.
In other words: Canada has death panels.

In Ontario, by contrast, the provincial legislature decided in 1996 to create a quasijudicial tribunal, the Consent and Capacity Board, to make these life-and-death decisions more quickly. If a patientís substitute decision maker withholds consent, then doctors may apply to the boardócomprised of lawyers, mental health professionals, and community membersófor a determination that the proposed treatment is in the patientís best interest. If so, the board has the power to consent on the patientís behalf.
At issue in the Ontario case was the fate of Hassan Rasouli, a retired engineer who has been comatose in a Toronto hospital since he suffered complications following brain surgery three years ago. When Rasouliís doctors determined that he had no reasonable prospect of recovery, they sought to pull the plug. His family, convinced that Rasouli was slowly recovering, took his doctors to court.
Last Friday, they won. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled 5Ė2 that Ontario doctors may not decide to withhold treatment from patients in Rasouliís condition without consent from the next-in-line decision maker. In Rasouliís case, that is his wife. But, if she refuses consent, then her husbandís doctors can still ask for a ruling from Ontarioís Consent and Capacity Board. The Supreme Court confirmed last week that the board has the power to overrule her.

In Canada, with our single-payer health care system, Rasouliís situation has a very public bottom line: Should taxpayers foot the bill for his familyís indefinite goodbye?
But American critics of Canadian health care will declare that merely asking this question is unacceptable, unethical, even unthinkableóand that it proves that the Canadian system gives doctors a dangerous incentive to kill off their patients as quickly as possible. They are wrong. The Hippocratic Oathís promise to do no harm still applies. But they are also only wrong in part. When taxpayers provide only a finite number of acute care beds in public hospitals, a patient whose life has all but ended, but whose family insists on keeping her on life support, is occupying precious space that might otherwise house a patient whose best years are still ahead.
The incentives in the American health care system point in the opposite direction. In the United States, keeping an all-but-dead patient alive on life support in a hospital bed generates income for the hospital, for as long as its bills get paid.
Ontarioís Consent and Capacity Board provides an objective process for resolving these difficult, end-of-life dilemmas. The board is instructed by law to focus on the patientís best interests, not the health care systemís, or the governmentís bottom line. Still, the law recognizes that, though it is usually in the patientís best interests to be kept alive, it is not always so. As Rasouliís doctors told the Supreme Court, prolonging his life would entail the risk of infection, bedsores, and organ failure. When recovery is out of the question, in other words, there may be fates worse than death.
Yet, the question remains: Who decides? Remember that, outside of Ontario, the resolution of these end-of-life disputes is generally reserved for judges. Ontario has simply replaced them with experts and wise community members.*

Full article here:*http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ood_thing.html
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:08 AM   #46
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Good article in FEE on nationalization of medicine...

...based on Germany and how it lead to it's horrors of the 1930's:

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detai...#axzz2igAjLrJU

Obamacare will not only change medicine as we know it but the fabric of this country. It will not be good. Control by bureaucrats will grow. There's even articles written on how the govt can and will weed out the mentally ill to deny gun ownership. Govt deciding this is not good as dissenters can and will be labeled potentially if not already mentally disturbed. Bad idea to mix mental health with govt.
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More death panel information. This one in Britain.

UK Doctors Given Bonuses for Placing Patients on ĎDeath Listsí

All to reduce healthcare costs. Okay if govt denies coverage--not okay if insurance denies coverage because the individual decided not to get and pay for the coverage.
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UK Doctors Given Bonuses for Placing Patients on ĎDeath Listsí

All to reduce healthcare costs. Okay if govt denies coverage--not okay if insurance denies coverage because the individual decided not to get and pay for the coverage.
Goebbels would be proud.
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Goebbels would be proud.
Oops, gee, I forgot to put the link there.
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Here it is:

http://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/
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