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Old 10-29-2013, 08:38 PM  
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**The Obamacare Shitfest thread**

At the rate this thing is falling apart I figures it's time for a game-style thread for this abortion of a law.

This is what we get from lawmakers who don't even read the law...

1. Web site crashes...no one tested it
2. Insurance policies being canceled even after Obama stated multiple times you can keep your insurance if you like it
3. Valerie Jarrett says blame the insurance companies
4. Insurance companies say "we are just following the law"
5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
6. Jay Carney tells us what the President "really meant" and that we were all just too stupid to "get it"
7. IRS knew as soon as 2010 that over 50% of individual insurance policy holders would lose coverage
8. Men are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
9. Women who cannot get pregnant are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
10. We keep getting told this is "affordable" yet deductible seem to be going up as well as premiums on balance
11. The Fed Gov won't tell us how many people have actually signed up
13. Obama knew nothing about any of it
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:46 PM   #16
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No I am talking about the grandfathered plans. It is my understanding that all health insurance plans were grandfathered in. As you pointed out above if the insurance companies made any changes they lost that status. The minimum standard plans I believe are for any plan sold 2012 or 2013, could be wrong on that.
You are wrong because a plan I could have gotten from BCBS in September went up over %100+ after Oct. 1.

And the changes that disqualify a Grandfathered status are bullshit. There are certain changes that happen on a regular basis as part of day-day operations. Don't kid yourself, they knew what they were doing and now they are having to answer for it.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #17
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Thanks. I knew about most of that just not the change of doctor one. Seems somewhat petty
Because it isn't true.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #18
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Pete this explains it better than I could.
You sort of make my point of all this shit. Why do I as a male need maternity coverage and why should I have to lose a plan and\or be forced to purchase plan that has maternity coverage that I will never use?

Do you see the insanity of this? There is absolutely no physical way in all of heaven or hell a male is going to get pregnant yet .....
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #19
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Because it isn't true.
Take your lies elsewhere.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:48 PM   #20
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Thanks. I knew about most of that just not the change of doctor one. Seems somewhat petty
Like we said at the start:

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Old 10-29-2013, 09:50 PM   #21
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Take your lies elsewhere.
Your assertion about a doctor retiring--complete bullshit.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:51 PM   #22
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Your assertion about a doctor retiring--complete bullshit.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:53 PM   #23
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On grandfathered plans

From healthcare.gov.......

All health plans must:

End lifetime limits on coverage
End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
Cover adult children up to age 26
Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i...d-health-plan/

So basically most low cost insurance plans were dead from the law's inception.

Not even Chris tingle down his leg Matthews can bail Obama out of this one.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:54 PM   #24
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You link up your assertion. I have to find where having a doctor retire is not a disqualifier? You're nuts.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:58 PM   #25
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You link up your assertion. I have to find where having a doctor retire is not a disqualifier? You're nuts.
I never said a doctor retiring caused it. I said once they changed the list of doctors. Read more and try reaching a little less.
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:02 PM   #26
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You sort of make my point of all this shit. Why do I as a male need maternity coverage and why should I have to lose a plan and\or be forced to purchase plan that has maternity coverage that I will never use?

Do you see the insanity of this? There is absolutely no physical way in all of heaven or hell a male is going to get pregnant yet .....
Patteeu explained this well in another thread, everybody has to be in the same pool to make it cheaper for everyone. you can't have exceptions\allowances.

As far as my other point about grandfathered plans, the insurance companies aren't dumb. They are getting 30 million new customers thanks to Obama\Dems and they are going to make a ton of money by getting rid of those shitty plans and having the government subsidize them.
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Patteeu explained this well in another thread, everybody has to be in the same pool to make it cheaper for everyone. you can't have exceptions\allowances.

As far as my other point about grandfathered plans, the insurance companies aren't dumb. They are getting 30 million new customers thanks to Obama\Dems and they are going to make a ton of money by getting rid of those shitty plans and having the government subsidize them.
Except it isn't making it cheaper for everyone, now is it? If I have to pay more for coverage I will never, ever use then how is it cheaper for everyone?
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From healthcare.gov.......

All health plans must:

End lifetime limits on coverage
End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
Cover adult children up to age 26
Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i...d-health-plan/

So basically most low cost insurance plans were dead from the law's inception.

Not even Chris tingle down his leg Matthews can bail Obama out of this one.
Here is an interesting question do you think Catastrophic plans are the same as health insurance?
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I never said a doctor retiring caused it. I said once they changed the list of doctors. Read more and try reaching a little less.

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Basically, Dirk, if a Doctor retired thus causing your insurance company to revise your list of available doctors then it lost it's Grandfathered status.


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Except it isn't making it cheaper for everyone, now is it? If I have to pay more for coverage I will never, ever use then how is it cheaper for everyone?
Well it just started give it a couple of years and then we should have a better idea.
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