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Old 10-29-2013, 08:38 PM  
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**The Obamacare Shitfest thread**
At the rate this thing is falling apart I figures it's time for a game-style thread for this abortion of a law.

This is what we get from lawmakers who don't even read the law...

1. Web site crashes...no one tested it
2. Insurance policies being canceled even after Obama stated multiple times you can keep your insurance if you like it
3. Valerie Jarrett says blame the insurance companies
4. Insurance companies say "we are just following the law"
5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
6. Jay Carney tells us what the President "really meant" and that we were all just too stupid to "get it"
7. IRS knew as soon as 2010 that over 50% of individual insurance policy holders would lose coverage
8. Men are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
9. Women who cannot get pregnant are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
10. We keep getting told this is "affordable" yet deductible seem to be going up as well as premiums on balance
11. The Fed Gov won't tell us how many people have actually signed up
13. Obama knew nothing about any of it
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:12 AM   #76
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Changing rules or regs to cause people to lose their desired HC policy reminds me of the Soviets taking the property away of the Kulaks.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:18 AM   #77
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The distinction you are trying to make is ridiculous, but the main point I've been attacking all along is that revising the list of available doctors will not kill the Grandfather clause.
I believe you are correct.

Here is the Final Regulation Rule by HHS there is no mention of changing doctors will remove a plan from grandfathered status.

According to the regulations it is mostly if they increase your deductible considerably or remove coverage.

https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...atus-as-a#h-15

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieve...1.2.62.0.27.15
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:31 AM   #78
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BULLSHIT! You need to go back and read slower. I said I never said a doctor retiring was the reason the plan got canceled. I said the resulting revision of the list of available doctors would be.

You can kiss the fattest part of my ass, Plow because you know good and damn well what I said. I didn't allow cosmo to pull this bullshit of parsing what I said to fit his argument. Apparently you will.
I said you used it as an example - which you did. I never said it was the sole reason. You should do what you are saying nobody else is doing....read. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I said it was a funny argument to watch because you were fighting when you clearly said it.

I'm one of these people that lost their plan and now has to sign up to basically the same exact plan (at almost exactly the same price) because of this BS. I even posted in a thread about it a few weeks ago asking someone, anyone, to explain to me why I had to change. Secondly, I rarely agree with cosmo & his takes. So, if you don't mind, you can suck my bawls.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:32 AM   #79
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I said you used it as an example - which you did. I never said it was the sole reason. You should do what you are saying nobody else is doing....read. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I said it was a funny argument to watch because you were fighting when you clearly said it.

I'm one of these people that lost their plan and now has to sign up to basically the same exact plan (at almost exactly the same price) because of this BS. I even posted in a thread about it a few weeks ago asking someone, anyone, to explain to me why I had to change. Secondly, I rarely agree with cosmo & his takes. So, if you don't mind, you can suck my bawls.
I can suck my own bawls, thank you very much
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What have I been hypocritical about?
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:36 AM   #80
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I can suck my own bawls, thank you very much
Do you give lessons? This is something I'd like to learn.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:20 PM   #81
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I'm not thrilled with the technical glitches, but those can and will get fixed over time.

I'm generally satisfied with the results I'm seeing from the exchanges, however.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:24 PM   #82
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I'm not thrilled with the technical glitches, but those can and will get fixed over time.

I'm generally satisfied with the results I'm seeing from the exchanges, however.
What results are you seeing? Considering the flipping site doesn't work?
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:26 PM   #83
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What results are you seeing? Considering the flipping site doesn't work?
Maybe he's gettin' some of them cupcakes.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/30/g...-cupcake-shop/
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Maybe he's gettin' some of them cupcakes.

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I'm not thrilled with the technical glitches, but those can and will get fixed over time.

I'm generally satisfied with the results I'm seeing from the exchanges, however.

I agree. Its working as planned and expected.
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What results are you seeing? Considering the flipping site doesn't work?
For starters:

I think the exchanges are phenomenal, and are long overdue in this country.

I also love the provisions in this law for women and those with pre-existing conditions.

I've been encouraged by some of the pressure in some of the "light red" states to expand Medicaid and help out their working poor. Chris Christie, who's probably going to represent the GOP in 2016's POTUS election, expanded it. That can only portend for more Republican states doing so in the future.
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What results are you seeing? Considering the flipping site doesn't work?

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/30/n...s-launch-zero/


Comeon Pete, facts are facts.
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For starters:

I think the exchanges are phenomenal, and are long overdue in this country.

I also love the provisions in this law for women and those with pre-existing conditions.

I've been encouraged by some of the pressure in some of the "light red" states to expand Medicaid and help out their working poor. Chris Christie, who's probably going to represent the GOP in 2016's POTUS election, expanded it. That can only portend for more Republican states doing so in the future.
You totally dodged the question but....okay
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You totally dodged the question but....okay
Well the results I'm seeing now are marred with technical glitches and bureaucratic struggles.

All of which are common for large social policy rollouts, are they not?
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