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Old 10-29-2013, 08:38 PM  
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**The Obamacare Shitfest thread**

At the rate this thing is falling apart I figures it's time for a game-style thread for this abortion of a law.

This is what we get from lawmakers who don't even read the law...

1. Web site crashes...no one tested it
2. Insurance policies being canceled even after Obama stated multiple times you can keep your insurance if you like it
3. Valerie Jarrett says blame the insurance companies
4. Insurance companies say "we are just following the law"
5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
6. Jay Carney tells us what the President "really meant" and that we were all just too stupid to "get it"
7. IRS knew as soon as 2010 that over 50% of individual insurance policy holders would lose coverage
8. Men are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
9. Women who cannot get pregnant are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
10. We keep getting told this is "affordable" yet deductible seem to be going up as well as premiums on balance
11. The Fed Gov won't tell us how many people have actually signed up
13. Obama knew nothing about any of it
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:50 PM   #121
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You wouldn't need it, but including it in everyone's plan spreads the risk. Women are chipping in if you get prostate or nut cancer or have a heart attack (which is far more common for men).
And men are chipping in if a woman gets breast or ovarian cancer.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:02 PM   #122
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And men are chipping in if a woman gets breast or ovarian cancer.
Correct.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:34 PM   #123
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I am curious has your premium increased alot in the last couple of years? Any change in coverage like dropping a procedure?

If not you should call them I would love to know what they say.
There have been increases, but the biggest increase was this past January. Went up roughly $70/month or $840/year.

As far as coverage changes, I don't believe so but if I had to guess, that is likely why I have to change. Some coverage changed & I didn't pay attention to it or something along those lines.

Oddly enough, the dental coverage I got at the same time as the health coverage doesn't have to be changed.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:09 PM   #124
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So if I have no intentions of having anymore children and the children I have are grown adults why would I need to have #4 & #10?
No matter what cosmo claims, the reason is this:

"Screw you, that's why"
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Old 10-30-2013, 10:58 PM   #125
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Women are chipping in if you get prostate or nut cancer or have a heart attack (which is far more common for men).


That's nice of the women to help the men with prostate cancer and heart attacks, makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:18 AM   #126
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Health insurance brokers are having the best month theyve ever had. It's free advertising. I have a buddy that sells health insurance. He tells me they get hundreds of calls a day asking about Obamacare. He makes an appointment with them, shows them how much more it is then a traditional high deductible plan, and then sells them one of their non exchange plans. He's raking it in. If people have a pre existing condition and can't get one of his traditional policies, he gives them the Obama quote, and of course, they can't afford it, so they will just end up paying the fine and going uninsured like they always have. It's a joke people. My wife is considering getting her health insurance licence to cash in on this big pile of shit.
Are there still policies out there that can deny you for pre-existing conditions?
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:26 AM   #127
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:51 AM   #128
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To expand on my orig question; if a female is unable to have children why would she have to pay for #4 & #10?

And since the claim is to spread the cost to all, was that not happening prior to the ACA becoming law?
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:10 AM   #129
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There have been increases, but the biggest increase was this past January. Went up roughly $70/month or $840/year.

As far as coverage changes, I don't believe so but if I had to guess, that is likely why I have to change. Some coverage changed & I didn't pay attention to it or something along those lines.

Oddly enough, the dental coverage I got at the same time as the health coverage doesn't have to be changed.
It could be change in coverage.

https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...atus-as-a#h-15

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieve...1.2.62.0.27.15


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3. Discussion of Regulatory Provisions

As discussed earlier in this preamble, these interim final regulations provide that a group health plan or health insurance coverage no longer will be considered a grandfathered health plan if a plan sponsor or an issuer:
  • Eliminates all or substantially all benefits to diagnose or treat a particular condition. The elimination of benefits for any necessary element to diagnose or treat a condition is considered the elimination of all or substantially all benefits to diagnose or treat a particular condition;
  • Increases a percentage cost-sharing requirement (such as coinsurance) above the level at which it was on March 23, 2010;
  • Increases fixed-amount cost-sharing requirements other than copayments, such as a $500 deductible or a $2,500 out-of-pocket limit, by a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010 that is more than the sum of medical inflation and 15 percentage points. [10]
  • Increases copayments by an amount that exceeds the greater of: a total percentage measured from March 23, 2010 that is more than the sum of medical inflation plus 15 percentage points, or $5 increased by medical inflation measured from March 23, 2010;
  • For a group health plan or group health insurance coverage, an employer or employee organization decreases its contribution rate by more than five percentage points below the contribution rate on March 23, 2010; or
  • With respect to annual limits (1) a group health plan, or group or individual health insurance coverage, that, on March 23, 2010, did not impose an overall annual or lifetime limit on the dollar value of all benefits imposes an overall annual limit on the dollar value of benefits; (2) a group health plan, or group or individual health insurance coverage, that, on March 23, 2010, imposed an overall lifetime limit on the dollar value of all benefits but no overall annual limit on the dollar value of all benefits adopts an overall annual limit at a dollar value that is lower than the dollar value of the lifetime limit on March 23, 2010; or (3) a group health plan, or group or individual health insurance coverage, that, on March 23, 2010, imposed an overall annual limit on the dollar value of all benefits decreases the dollar value of the annual limit (regardless of whether the plan or health insurance coverage also imposes an overall lifetime limit on the dollar value of all benefits).
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:16 AM   #130
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To expand on my orig question; if a female is unable to have children why would she have to pay for #4 & #10?

And since the claim is to spread the cost to all, was that not happening prior to the ACA becoming law?
Because in order for to lower costs for everyone, everyone has to have the same coverage and all be in the same pool.

No.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:24 AM   #131
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Because in order for to lower costs for everyone, everyone has to have the same coverage and all be in the same pool.

No.
Lower the cost of services or lower the cost of coverage?
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Lower the cost of services or lower the cost of coverage?
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:32 AM   #133
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Are there still policies out there that can deny you for pre-existing conditions?
Of course there are. Remember, you are on a political forum, so most of the people posting here are at least somewhat educated about the ACA. In reality, the vast majority of Americans have no clue about what the ACA is, what else is available, and how it all works.

I only know alot of this because my friend is certified to sell the exchange policies, but still sells what he's always sold. He hasn't sold a single exchange policy yet because they are so much more expensive than what he's always sold before the ACA. The ACA is making everything go up however, because the companies on the exchange still have to make up for covering pre existing conditions, so they raise rates on all their policies, exchange or otherwise.

Basically, it's a giant shit sandwich that is screwing over millions of Americans that were already paying for insurance.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:42 AM   #134
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So I get to pay for coverage I will never use, nor will my wife, in order to lower the cost of coverage for others but the cost of the service will remain the same?

And at the same time predictions that what is happening in the indivdual market (loss of coverage) may hit those covered by thier company plans next year?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...der-obamacare/

My goodness what a super law that was passed.
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Of course there are. Remember, you are on a political forum, so most of the people posting here are at least somewhat educated about the ACA. In reality, the vast majority of Americans have no clue about what the ACA is, what else is available, and how it all works.

I only know alot of this because my friend is certified to sell the exchange policies, but still sells what he's always sold. He hasn't sold a single exchange policy yet because they are so much more expensive than what he's always sold before the ACA. The ACA is making everything go up however, because the companies on the exchange still have to make up for covering pre existing conditions, so they raise rates on all their policies, exchange or otherwise.

Basically, it's a giant shit sandwich that is screwing over millions of Americans that were already paying for insurance.


You might want to explain all that to Direckshun, he thinks the exchanges are the best thing since the invention of velcro so he doesn't have to tie his shoes anymore.

Sit him down and give him a reality check on it and wake him up from his fantasy world of big goverment taking care of every problem in existence.

Have kleenexs and a time-out chair at the ready.
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