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Old 10-29-2013, 07:38 PM  
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**The Obamacare Shitfest thread**

At the rate this thing is falling apart I figures it's time for a game-style thread for this abortion of a law.

This is what we get from lawmakers who don't even read the law...

1. Web site crashes...no one tested it
2. Insurance policies being canceled even after Obama stated multiple times you can keep your insurance if you like it
3. Valerie Jarrett says blame the insurance companies
4. Insurance companies say "we are just following the law"
5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
6. Jay Carney tells us what the President "really meant" and that we were all just too stupid to "get it"
7. IRS knew as soon as 2010 that over 50% of individual insurance policy holders would lose coverage
8. Men are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
9. Women who cannot get pregnant are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
10. We keep getting told this is "affordable" yet deductible seem to be going up as well as premiums on balance
11. The Fed Gov won't tell us how many people have actually signed up
13. Obama knew nothing about any of it
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:50 AM   #136
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Because in order for to lower costs for everyone, everyone has to have the same coverage and all be in the same pool.

No.
Also, isn't this the same thing as forcing people to purchase say peanut butter, even though they may dislike peanut butter or are allergic to peanuts, so peanut butter is cheaper for other folks?
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:53 AM   #137
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Also, isn't this the same thing as forcing people to purchase say peanut butter, even though they may dislike peanut butter or are allergic to peanuts, so peanut butter is cheaper for other folks?
yes, it's called socialism
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:54 AM   #138
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Also, isn't this the same thing as forcing people to purchase say peanut butter, even though they may dislike peanut butter or are allergic to peanuts, so peanut butter is cheaper for other folks?


Yes, you on spot on with that analogy only you don't get to keep your old peanut butter and the cost of it goes up dramatically.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:58 AM   #139
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You might want to explain all that to Direckshun, he thinks the exchanges are the best thing since the invention of velcro so he doesn't have to tie his shoes anymore.

Sit him down and give him a reality check on it and wake him up from his fantasy world of big goverment taking care of every problem in existence.

Have kleenexs and a time-out chair at the ready.
Oh, he will find out soon enough. If and when the ACA becomes accessible, and when Direction finds himself in the market for insurance because he HAS to have it, he will realize just how expensive it is.

Don't get me wrong. I think there is a need for an insurance exchange that accepts pre existing conditions. I think a child with a congenital defect for example, should be able to have coverage. However, it shouldn't be pooled with every other insurance in order to lower the cost. All that does is raises it for everyone else. If the government wants to subsidize something, then subsidize those type of policies, not policies covering fatasses with diabetes, smokers, or lazy asses that don't want to work.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:59 AM   #140
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You might want to explain all that to Direckshun, he thinks the exchanges are the best thing since the invention of velcro so he doesn't have to tie his shoes anymore.

Sit him down and give him a reality check on it and wake him up from his fantasy world of big goverment taking care of every problem in existence.

Have kleenexs and a time-out chair at the ready.
The concept of the exchanges is a good one, but they should be in the hands of the private sector not the goverment.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:04 AM   #141
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Of course there are. Remember, you are on a political forum, so most of the people posting here are at least somewhat educated about the ACA. In reality, the vast majority of Americans have no clue about what the ACA is, what else is available, and how it all works.

I only know alot of this because my friend is certified to sell the exchange policies, but still sells what he's always sold. He hasn't sold a single exchange policy yet because they are so much more expensive than what he's always sold before the ACA. The ACA is making everything go up however, because the companies on the exchange still have to make up for covering pre existing conditions, so they raise rates on all their policies, exchange or otherwise.

Basically, it's a giant shit sandwich that is screwing over millions of Americans that were already paying for insurance.
@ the bolded part. Most of the idiots out here have no idea of what they're talking about.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:05 AM   #142
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The concept of the exchanges is a good one, but they should be in the hands of the private sector not the goverment.
JFC perfect example. The exchanges are managed by the government. The insurance policies are still run by insurance companies. It is in the hands of the private sector.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:10 AM   #143
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JFC perfect example. The exchanges are managed by the government. The insurance policies are still run by insurance companies. It is in the hands of the private sector.
My point was RCN that the exchanges themselves should be run & managed by the private sector. Should the goverment have oversight & regulations of the exchanges? You bet, just like any other private company or entity.

However, the goverment managing and / or running the exchanges is not optimal in my opinion.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:13 AM   #144
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My point was RCN that the exchanges themselves should be run & managed by the private sector. Should the goverment have oversight & regulations of the exchanges? You bet, just like any other private company or entity.

However, the goverment managing and / or running the exchanges is not optimal in my opinion.
The private sector wasn't doing it. They would have never offered policies that covered pre-existing conditions or without lifetime caps if the government hadn't stepped in. There was also zero incentive for them to set up the exchanges as well. They have benefited from the opaque nature of their pricing and difficulty in comparing policies. Why would they have set up exchanges on their own?
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The private sector wasn't doing it. They would have never offered policies that covered pre-existing conditions or without lifetime caps if the government hadn't stepped in. There was also zero incentive for them to set up the exchanges as well. They have benefited from the opaque nature of their pricing and difficulty in comparing policies. Why would they have set up exchanges on their own?
So why not reform the insurance industry to move in this direction instead of the slow progression to single payer?
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:21 AM   #146
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So why not reform the insurance industry to move in this direction instead of the slow progression to single payer?
The ACA is a reform for the insurance industry and not a progression to single payer.

People are suffering sticker shock because they haven't had to pay attention to what healthcare actually costs unless they've had health problems before.

Eventually, IMO, people are going to realize that we spend way too much on health care as a country and will demand single payer once the public starts to do a cost/benefit analysis as costs continue to rise.
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The ACA is a reform for the insurance industry and not a progression to single payer.

People are suffering sticker shock because they haven't had to pay attention to what healthcare actually costs unless they've had health problems before.

Eventually, IMO, people are going to realize that we spend way too much on health care as a country and will demand single payer once the public starts to do a cost/benefit analysis as costs continue to rise.
Wrong, people are suffering sticker shock because they saw numerous clips of Obama claiming they would pay less than they already were, when the only ones that do actually see that are being subsidized by the rest of us.
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Wrong, people are suffering sticker shock because they saw numerous clips of Obama claiming they would pay less than they already were, when the only ones that do actually see that are being subsidized by the rest of us.
Bingo! The dipshits that didn't have, or couldn't afford health care before the ACA are the only ones benefiting. Everyone else gets screwed.
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Bingo! The dipshits that didn't have, or couldn't afford health care before the ACA are the only ones benefiting. Everyone else gets screwed.
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This is ****ing ridiculous. Everyone has been getting screwed by health care costs for decades.
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