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Old 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM  
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McDonald's helps workers get food stamps.

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Nancy Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResource representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses. Salgado told the representative that she was recording the call for her sister.

The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."

The representative then pointed her toward a number of resources in Chicago, such as food pantries and a program that would help cover some of her heating bill. She said she would email her specific phone numbers and programs.

The operator also explained that the McResource line is available to help McDonald's workers who need help navigating the process of getting public assistance. The helpline's phone number is posted in fliers at many McDonald's locations.
Nice of McDonalds to help get its employees on the gov't teet.

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Old 11-01-2013, 02:16 PM   #406
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Here's the problem from an article about minimum wage in CA:

More than 15 million American workers earn the national minimum wage, which calculated over a 40-hour, 52-week working year, equals $15,080. This figure sits $50 below the federal poverty line for a family of two and compares with a median national salary of $40,350.

A family of two with both people working would then be $30,160.
CA just upped their minimum wage to $10 which will put a full-time worker over the poverty line for now anyway. I gathered (I maybe wrong) that he was suggesting giving just full-time workers more pay. Regardless alot of companies will just cut back hours or hiring.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:22 PM   #408
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He's being disingenuous, though. He uses the fact that McDonalds employees are on assistance as proof that they should be paid more. That ignores many of the situations that could be possible.
I can understand the concept that a single person should earn enough working 40 hours a week to afford life's basics (and I'm taking about renting a room in a house, taking a bus to work and eating Ramen for dinner), but McDonalds has no burden to keep a mother of two with no additional income above the poverty line.
And he's stated that a single mother of two should reasonably expect a 40 hour a week McDonalds wage to keep her off public assistance.
We are not in disagreement about that. I understand when he talks about a social contract and 20-30 years ago he was right, not so much anymore though.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:40 PM   #409
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And the similarities between McDonalds and Costco's business models are....? What?

Man, you're failing hard at this. I'd let you off the hook with the whole Costco thing because it's obvious you can't get out of it, but I know you'll keep touting it as a role model for McDonalds.

Does McDonalds charge an annual fee?
Still failing to understand what an example is, huh?

Still think it is a direct comparison or a role model. You need to go back to school and learn the purpose and use of examples.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:44 PM   #410
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Oh joy, another rambling post repeating the same stupid crap that you've been trying to sell in this thread for days. My biscuit maker analogy applies because it exposes the flaw in your communist ideology. A worker sells his labor to his employer, just as that biscuit maker sells his product to his customers. And no, my argument doesn't ignore families. It expects you to take care of yours financially. If you can't, there are welfare programs to help you do just that. No, your employer isn't obligated to pay for your poor life decisions. You wring your hands and desperately cry for a welfare state to be extended as far as it possibly can be. But, hey, you're not footing the bill, right? As long as you are spending other people's money you don't really care. Put your money where your mouth is. Start a company and pay your employers more than their labor is worth.
Again, you are the only one supporting welfare state instead of Companies paying their own employees.

You are the one pissing on 100 years of labor tradition that says full time workers have earn above poverty.

Yes, spending other peoples money... Like the taxpayers to full time working Americans, because I know you are not talking about Companies paying for labor the NEED and use.


That fact that you continue to ignore my questions, ignore data, and harp on this, jobs aren't suppose to provide for you just shows my you have nothing but the same stupid nonsensical analogy.

Just ignore everything and continue to live in willful ignorance.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:47 PM   #411
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He's being disingenuous, though. He uses the fact that McDonalds employees are on assistance as proof that they should be paid more. That ignores many of the situations that could be possible.
I can understand the concept that a single person should earn enough working 40 hours a week to afford life's basics (and I'm taking about renting a room in a house, taking a bus to work and eating Ramen for dinner), but McDonalds has no burden to keep a mother of two with no additional income above the poverty line.
And he's stated that a single mother of two should reasonably expect a 40 hour a week McDonalds wage to keep her off public assistance.
Wow, I wonder why I would believe that...

Oh, I know, because that is American Labor tradition proved by 7 decades worth of Data. A single mother of two use to be able to work full time and afford things.

Again, why shouldn't a job provide for you?

Tell me, what happens to a community when full time workers cannot earn enough to survive?

What is the point of a job if it doesn't even pay enough to place you outside of poverty?
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:49 PM   #412
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We are not in disagreement about that. I understand when he talks about a social contract and 20-30 years ago he was right, not so much anymore though.
Why? Why has it become acceptable for profitable companies to offload the cost of labor onto the American Government?

Why has it become acceptable for full time working Americans have to depend on the Government?

What purpose do jobs that pay under the poverty line have in a community? The workers can't participate in the economic cycle, money doesn't flow through system, only out of it, and Tax dollars have to be wasted to ensure people can survive. That benefits my community how?
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:57 PM   #413
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Wait, did you just say we had a higher minimum wage with a lower cost of goods?



Yup, you did.

Cool, so we are past that minimum wage leads to higher prices.

And inflation has remained at a steady, constant, low percent. Of course, you won't cite that.


Oh, and your article doesn't say what you think it says.

You are a ****ing idiot, of the worst kind. You only read part of what I said, and then proceeded to take it completely out of context. Like that's a surprise for a communist like yourself. Did you miss the part about liberals ****ing up everything in this country that they've touched, which has caused inflation to spiral out of control, the dollar to be worth must less, and so on???? In case you don't think your communist butt buddies are to blame for the mess we are currently in. In the last 60 years up to 2007, the Dumbocrats controlled the House for 46 out of 60 years, and the Senate for 40 out of 60 years. This pretty much proves how lousy your communist party is at managing anything. You obviously only bothered to repeat what you wanted to, to support your communist theories. That article stated that nothing is set in stone, even your studies. Your studies are all based on fantasy. That article was all about why raising the minimum wage is a very bad idea, but I guess you missed 95% of it. I said it once, and I'll say it again. If you think your "studies" are 100% true, then go buy a McDonald's franchise, and prove that they work in reality, like they do on paper. C'mon MinimumWageMillionaire, and prove your communist ideas work, and that your studies are accurate.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:01 PM   #414
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Why? Why has it become acceptable for profitable companies to offload the cost of labor onto the American Government?

Why has it become acceptable for full time working Americans have to depend on the Government?

What purpose do jobs that pay under the poverty line have in a community? The workers can't participate in the economic cycle, money doesn't flow through system, only out of it, and Tax dollars have to be wasted to ensure people can survive. That benefits my community how?
I think most Americans including myself don't believe it is acceptable in theory. I think most Americans would agree that if you bust your ass 40 hours a week you shouldn't be on food stamps and Medicaid.

The problem is the leaders in the country all bend over to the corporations. They are basically the de facto leaders.
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I think most Americans including myself don't believe it is acceptable in theory. I think most Americans would agree that if you bust your ass 40 hours a week you shouldn't be on food stamps and Medicaid.

The problem is the leaders in the country all bend over to the corporations. They are basically the de facto leaders.
Yes. That is what is called corporate fascism or corporatism or corporate feudalism.

At the very least, crony capitalism. It certainly isn't "make the best good possible, at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wage possible."

What would happen if that assistance ended tomorrow? Would people still show up for work if they couldn't survive on that amount of money?

No, they would either stay home and say F-it, or they would show up to work and Unionize to demand more money. Raising the minimum wage forces the business and the consumer to split the costs of that increase (the ratio depends on how much we need that product and how much could be automated etc.). This is preferable to the current system where all of the deficit is payed for by the tax payer via public assistance.
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You are a ****ing idiot, of the worst kind. You only read part of what I said, and then proceeded to take it completely out of context. Like that's a surprise for a communist like yourself. Did you miss the part about liberals ****ing up everything in this country that they've touched, which has caused inflation to spiral out of control, the dollar to be worth must less, and so on???? In case you don't think your communist butt buddies are to blame for the mess we are currently in. In the last 60 years up to 2007, the Dumbocrats controlled the House for 46 out of 60 years, and the Senate for 40 out of 60 years. This pretty much proves how lousy your communist party is at managing anything. You obviously only bothered to repeat what you wanted to, to support your communist theories. That article stated that nothing is set in stone, even your studies. Your studies are all based on fantasy. That article was all about why raising the minimum wage is a very bad idea, but I guess you missed 95% of it. I said it once, and I'll say it again. If you think your "studies" are 100% true, then go buy a McDonald's franchise, and prove that they work in reality, like they do on paper. C'mon MinimumWageMillionaire, and prove your communist ideas work, and that your studies are accurate.

Lol, you think a blog is an article.

Keep trusting blogs that go "I think". Especially since you didn't even read your own blog.
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You also fail to realize that we've lost many jobs in the last 10-20 years, to foreign countries, where their labor costs are cheaper. Gee, I wonder what made the companies move???? Now some stupid communist SOB wants to double the minimum wage, and thinks it will help out. The only thing I see here is, MinimumWageMillionaire has ZERO common sense, and lacks the ability to use logic, or think for himself. His STUDIES are holier than God Almighty, and are the final word on everything, or that's what the dipshit believes. MinimumWageMillionaire is so stupid, the first time he used a vibrator, he cracked his two front teeth.
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You also fail to realize that we've lost many jobs in the last 10-20 years, to foreign countries, where their labor costs are cheaper. Gee, I wonder what made the companies move???? Now some stupid communist SOB wants to double the minimum wage, and thinks it will help out. The only thing I see here is, MinimumWageMillionaire has ZERO common sense, and lacks the ability to use logic, or think for himself. His STUDIES are holier than God Almighty, and are the final word on everything, or that's what the dipshit believes. MinimumWageMillionaire is so stupid, the first time he used a vibrator, he cracked his two front teeth.
You think minimum wage jobs are what left the country over the last couple decades?

Wow, you are more stupid than I thought.

And you also think that you can outsource the person making your fatty double with cheese or the guy stocking shelves at WalMart?

Keep digging that stupid.

I originally thought you were just a talking point machine, but you are making the case of being plain old low functioning.
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You think minimum wage jobs are what left the country over the last couple decades?

Wow, you are more stupid than I thought.

And you also think that you can outsource the person making your fatty double with cheese or the guy stocking shelves at WalMart?

Keep digging that stupid.

I originally thought you were just a talking point machine, but you are making the case of being plain old low functioning.
Quit projecting yourself on me. I realize that it's got to be tough advocating for the workers party.
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No, I'd like to see who it is benefiting.
I really wonder if this clown is Derikshuns dupe. He is from the same city and puts up the same fingers in his ears arguments. People have reached the point where they blow off dirikshun because he is what he is. Now this clown shows up around the same time he starts posting less here. Maybe he is not his dupe and if that is the case they should hookup. They could pat each other on the back agreeing they have it all figured out. Heck they could take turns using their parents cars when pretending to look for a job. I can hear it now "mom can loneburgerflipper spend the night?" The answer is always the same "you are 28 we don't care who stays over with you, we gave up on you moving out of the basement years ago"
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