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Old 10-27-2013, 10:11 PM  
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60 Minutes tonight on Benghazi

Anyone see this tonight? Sounds like it was not good for Obama and Hillary
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:13 PM   #121
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You know damn good and well it's true. Name a wealthy country without UHC. The closest I can find in terms of wealth are Indonesia, Malaysia Turkey, Iran and Vietnam. Not exactly bastions of first-world capitalism.



Obamacare is better than the status quo for millions of people like my uncle who can't get private insurance. Republicans ONLY answer is the status quo. Well at least now that they turned on their own idea when it became Obamacare. I guess they learned their lesson to never actually propose new ideas wrt to healthcare - democrats might just take them up on it.
No, I don't know that it's true that none of them would trade their health system for ours.

I also reject the idea that Republicans don't have any answers to the status quo. They aren't in much of a position to focus their myriad answers into a single, unified proposal like the democrats were when they controlled WH, Senate and House, but that's a different story.

Pre-Obamacare status quo was universal healthcare, btw, so I'm not sure what your graphic is supposed to be about.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:05 PM   #122
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thanks for the heads up. Seeing that I can't remember anytime that you ever posted anything worth reading, I welcome you to my ignore list.

I hope that we can be as glad as me that I will never read your posts.
I don't really place any value on your opinion.
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:48 PM   #123
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I don't really place any value on your opinion jettio.
How you like him now ghetto
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:58 PM   #124
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Ok, jettio. Let's look at it from the best light possible for the Obama administration.

Ambassador Stevens screws up, and suddenly, he's stuck in Benghazi. He now knows he is trapped and he needs help.

The Obama administration is listening in and sits on their hands for a number of hours while relief troops are chomping at the bit to go in.

Then, the Obama administration lies to the American people about the whole thing being caused by what is essentially a terrorist "flash mob"---which would be completely unpredictable.

Not coincidentally, these lies are clearly undertaken to preserve Obama's perceived competency before an election.

Hillary Clinton screams "4 Americans are dead, what difference does it make?". The difference, Hillary, is the electorate very much has a right to know about an administration's job performance when they are asking for election to another term. While lying in this regard probably does not rise to impeachment, it's certainly bad political behavior. Presidents, like everyone else, can lie in situations where they have no legal duty to tell the truth.

The other question I have for Hillary is "Secretary Clinton, just what was your position on the public's "Right to know" when you were a legal council during the Watergate Hearings? And, why does it "not make a difference" today? Could that difference be related to the fact that you were trying to win power in 1974, while today, you're trying to protect the power you have earned?"
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:35 PM   #125
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Ok, jettio. Let's look at it from the best light possible for the Obama administration.

Ambassador Stevens screws up, and suddenly, he's stuck in Benghazi. He now knows he is trapped and he needs help.

The Obama administration is listening in and sits on their hands for a number of hours while relief troops are chomping at the bit to go in.

Then, the Obama administration lies to the American people about the whole thing being caused by what is essentially a terrorist "flash mob"---which would be completely unpredictable.

Not coincidentally, these lies are clearly undertaken to preserve Obama's perceived competency before an election.

Hillary Clinton screams "4 Americans are dead, what difference does it make?". The difference, Hillary, is the electorate very much has a right to know about an administration's job performance when they are asking for election to another term. While lying in this regard probably does not rise to impeachment, it's certainly bad political behavior. Presidents, like everyone else, can lie in situations where they have no legal duty to tell the truth.

The other question I have for Hillary is "Secretary Clinton, just what was your position on the public's "Right to know" when you were a legal council during the Watergate Hearings? And, why does it "not make a difference" today? Could that difference be related to the fact that you were trying to win power in 1974, while today, you're trying to protect the power you have earned?"
What you say about relief troops chomping at the bit to go in is based on what credible source?

Seems to me that the controversy over the next Sunday talking points were fully hashed out to the entire electorate before the election.

Can you explain why you think it wasn't? Every criticism that could be made about that was made by the folks supporting Romney's election and opposing Obama.

Wasn't it the case that the GOP lost its sense of honor and decided that after Clint Eastwood and Mitt Romney had a joke of a convention, and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had an effective one, that the Benghazi attack could be the chance to swing the election, especially after Susan Rice toured the Sunday shows and the Lybian government immediately stated that it was a terrorist attack not necessarily provoked by the outrage over the blasphemous film..

Find me the one stupid mother*cker that did not know that the people that stormed the mission were bad people.

Find me the next stupid mother*cker who thinks that saying that the movie provoked a violent response is ready to forgive those people who attacked.

Your whole take about the Obama campaign pulling off some genius move that was incredibly effective even though it was immediately exposed is nonsense.

There is hardly anything said about Benghazi since the election that was not said before the election. In fact, there were a lot of lies told before the election that you still seem to believe.

The reason why the GOP trying to ride Benghazi to victory did not work was because it was a dishonorable effort to exploit a situation where the bad guys won. The GOP can keep on trying to do the same thing over and over and it will never work because it is easy to see that they are not honorable or honest.

There is not one American voter who voted for Obama because of any misleading thing said by the Obama campaign or administration in the days after Benghazi.

Do you think there was some Romney leaning voter or undecided voter that watched the Sunday talk shows and listened to Susan Rice and then all of a sudden decided to vote for Obama and held on to that even after all of the GOP efforts to make hay out of that and then the GOP efforts to lie and say that the calvary was ready to come to the rescue but did not come to the rescue because somebody figured it would be better to let people get killed when they could be saved.

That has got to be the stupidest theory ever. We have a rescue squad ready to be deployed in a situation where they will be effective, but let's not send them in because letting the terrorist attack kill our people will swing an election we are already winning into our favor. Huh?
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:35 PM   #126
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What you say about relief troops chomping at the bit to go in is based on what credible source?

Seems to me that the controversy over the next Sunday talking points were fully hashed out to the entire electorate before the election.

Can you explain why you think it wasn't? Every criticism that could be made about that was made by the folks supporting Romney's election and opposing Obama.

Wasn't it the case that the GOP lost its sense of honor and decided that after Clint Eastwood and Mitt Romney had a joke of a convention, and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had an effective one, that the Benghazi attack could be the chance to swing the election, especially after Susan Rice toured the Sunday shows and the Lybian government immediately stated that it was a terrorist attack not necessarily provoked by the outrage over the blasphemous film..

Find me the one stupid mother*cker that did not know that the people that stormed the mission were bad people.

Find me the next stupid mother*cker who thinks that saying that the movie provoked a violent response is ready to forgive those people who attacked.

Your whole take about the Obama campaign pulling off some genius move that was incredibly effective even though it was immediately exposed is nonsense.

There is hardly anything said about Benghazi since the election that was not said before the election. In fact, there were a lot of lies told before the election that you still seem to believe.

The reason why the GOP trying to ride Benghazi to victory did not work was because it was a dishonorable effort to exploit a situation where the bad guys won. The GOP can keep on trying to do the same thing over and over and it will never work because it is easy to see that they are not honorable or honest.

There is not one American voter who voted for Obama because of any misleading thing said by the Obama campaign or administration in the days after Benghazi.

Do you think there was some Romney leaning voter or undecided voter that watched the Sunday talk shows and listened to Susan Rice and then all of a sudden decided to vote for Obama and held on to that even after all of the GOP efforts to make hay out of that and then the GOP efforts to lie and say that the calvary was ready to come to the rescue but did not come to the rescue because somebody figured it would be better to let people get killed when they could be saved.

That has got to be the stupidest theory ever. We have a rescue squad ready to be deployed in a situation where they will be effective, but let's not send them in because letting the terrorist attack kill our people will swing an election we are already winning into our favor. Huh?
Hang in there. Keep swinging. Fool .
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:59 PM   #127
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...The other question I have for Hillary is "Secretary Clinton, just what was your position on the public's "Right to know" when you were a legal council during the Watergate Hearings?...
I just realized how comparatively miniscule Watergate was to the crap going on now, and Nixon got impeached for it.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:07 PM   #128
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I just realized how comparatively miniscule Watergate was to the crap going on now, and Nixon got impeached for it.
Ridiculous, and no he didn't.
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jettio's take: everyone knew the administration was lying about Benghazi all along so what's the big deal?
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:09 PM   #130
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Ridiculous, and no he didn't.
No, he's right about the comparably minuscule part.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:47 AM   #133
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jettio's take: everyone knew the administration was lying about Benghazi all along so what's the big deal?
If only Romney had found a way to cheer on the deaths of 4 Americans in a better way, he would be the President.

Let's say that Hillary runs in 2016, do you think the GOP and Sean Hannity and all of the chiefsplanet weirdos are going to be 100% truthful about Benghazi? Of course not. How about 50% truthful? Sure thing. How about 10% truthful? Possibly?

How ironic is it that people who don't respect the truth are accusing people of being untruthful?

Can you explain to the world why B*sh-Cheney-Rumsfeld justified pre-emptive war in Iraq and why it took much more time to not accomplish the mission than they said it would to accomplish the mission?
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Are you telling the truth about Hillary saying that?

You are lying.

Good luck with persuading people to agree with you when you come out of the blocks with the intent of being untruthful.
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Hang in there. Keep swinging. Fool .
Translation. HCF is not able to point out any statement that he disagrees with and explain why he disagrees with it.

We understand you.

You cut and paste a bunch of partisan crap that other people write. Or, you take a regular news story and lie about it by crafting a dishonest headline.

We get it. You are not very capable of explaining much. You have decided to be a political partisan, and so you always root for one side and against the other and are always willing to be dishonest about it.
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