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Old 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM  
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McDonald's helps workers get food stamps.

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Nancy Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResource representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses. Salgado told the representative that she was recording the call for her sister.

The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."

The representative then pointed her toward a number of resources in Chicago, such as food pantries and a program that would help cover some of her heating bill. She said she would email her specific phone numbers and programs.

The operator also explained that the McResource line is available to help McDonald's workers who need help navigating the process of getting public assistance. The helpline's phone number is posted in fliers at many McDonald's locations.
Nice of McDonalds to help get its employees on the gov't teet.

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Wrong again Sparky. You keep getting caught up in what you think the world should be, and applying some ridiculous generalizations to our entire workforce. There are crap jobs. They aren't crap jobs because I deem them crap. They are entry level jobs requiring no education or skill. Those jobs are also relatively undemanding. They will also keep you above the poverty line, as I have already shown.
Your projecting is showing again.

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what you think the world should be
- I am basing my opinion on real world historical data, American Labor Tradition, and economic data. You are the one basing off what you think the world should be. Unless you can prove that the A mother of two working at McD's didn't earn a wage that supported herself and her kids.


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some ridiculous generalizations to our entire workforce.
-- Again, that would be you, holding up a single person household living on the edge of poverty as proof that the minimum wage is livable. AKA applying the lowest possible standard to all workers.

And wanting full time workers to earn a wage they can survive on isn't ridiculous... that would actually be capitalism. I know for a corporate fascists, that is hard to understand.

What is ridiculous is thinking the government should pay for a companies full time workers instead of the company and consumer.

You ignore America History. You know, where I show you how these "entry level" jobs allowed a parent to survive. That's not how I think that world should be, numbnuts, that is how America Society said it should be over 70 years ago.

You ignore economic data.

Just to hold up one economic figure and say "See, everything is fine. A single person living on the bare bone necessities is fine. A full time worker single household living paycheck to paycheck on the verge of poverty is fine."

It is absolutely disgusting. That isn't capitalism at all.

And your nonsense about entry levels jobs is that, nonsense.

Just because you think a job is entry level does not mean that it should restrict a worker to poverty. How very corporate fascist of you. Why should a full time worker, no matter the entry level, be restricted to poverty? Is the point of a job not to get out of poverty, is that not the reason we go to work? What is the point of job if it doesn't even allow you to participate in the market?

Why do you support ensuring there are full time workers in your community living in poverty? Do you think that benefits your community? Does that help stimulate demand for your business? Does that take pressure off you local government resources? Does that contribute tax revenue? Does that help children become constructive members of society? Does that help crime (I'm a inner city youth with little education looking to make money... work at fast food and not be able to support myself or sell drugs and make thousands in a week, tough choice)


Does the company make a profit off that labor? Does the company need that labor to meet demand? Is there demand for the company? There is no justification in the capitalistic system to for underpaying indemand labor.

And if a company is making profit off that labor, why then should the government have to step in and provide assistance to workers?

And the most important point, if these companies paid a wage in the past that allowed a family to meet the basic necessities, why should we allow that to change? Give me a reason why society should allow these companies to make more money off of their labor while that labor continually qualifies for government assistance.

And I would also like to see your response to this:

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The second purpose of the minimum wage is to maintain a floor underneath the low-wage labor market. This role of the minimum is important, because low-wage workers have historically had the least bargaining power in the U.S. workforce. As shown in Table 1, they are least likely to be represented by unions and more likely to be female or minority, two groups whose wages and incomes have historically been lowered by discrimination. Figure 3 makes the point that this floor used to be significantly higher, high enough, in fact, to lift a working mother with two children above the poverty line
http://www.epi.org/publication/brief...s_min_wage_bp/


I'm glad you support further marginalizing the least powerfully among us in the society to protect the most powerfully among us in our society.
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70 years ago there were a lot of single mothers of two making minimum wage and supporting two kids on 40 hours a week?

What % of income went to daycare then compared to now?

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Old 11-07-2013, 12:08 PM   #545
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Your projecting is showing again.
Nope, just more of your bullshit. This is exactly what I am referring to about wanting to overpay workers. I get it, you always think that anyone who you perceive as wealthy is evil and "part of the problem" without holding anyone accountable for growth in their own lives. You want a nation of sheep, dependent on handouts from anyone with wealth. To each according to his need, from each according to his ability. With you on the sidelines determining both. Or if nothing else the government on the sidelines determining both. What you advocate is an authoritarian socialist state. You're a communist through and through. It's not a boogieman. It's not name calling. You simply are.

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- I am basing my opinion on real world historical data, American Labor Tradition, and economic data. You are the one basing off what you think the world should be. Unless you can prove that the A mother of two working at McD's didn't earn a wage that supported herself and her kids.
You are basing your position on the belief that somehow the world owes you something. You're an entitled charlatan supporting a "soak the rich" mentality. I am advocating personal growth for individuals. Once again it's simple, Sparky. You seek to weaken people and make them dependent. I don't wish to cripple my fellow Americans in that way. I can only surmise that you seek a country of victims who share your entitled world view, perhaps thinking that they would be more likely to vote in the same way that you do. A nation of ideological slaves, content with what is essentially menial labor.


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-- Again, that would be you, holding up a single person household living on the edge of poverty as proof that the minimum wage is livable. AKA applying the lowest possible standard to all workers.

And wanting full time workers to earn a wage they can survive on isn't ridiculous... that would actually be capitalism. I know for a corporate fascists, that is hard to understand.

What is ridiculous is thinking the government should pay for a companies full time workers instead of the company and consumer.

You ignore America History. You know, where I show you how these "entry level" jobs allowed a parent to survive. That's not how I think that world should be, numbnuts, that is how America Society said it should be over 70 years ago.

You ignore economic data.

Just to hold up one economic figure and say "See, everything is fine. A single person living on the bare bone necessities is fine. A full time worker single household living paycheck to paycheck on the verge of poverty is fine."

It is absolutely disgusting. That isn't capitalism at all.

And your nonsense about entry levels jobs is that, nonsense.

Just because you think a job is entry level does not mean that it should restrict a worker to poverty. How very corporate fascist of you. Why should a full time worker, no matter the entry level, be restricted to poverty? Is the point of a job not to get out of poverty, is that not the reason we go to work? What is the point of job if it doesn't even allow you to participate in the market?

Why do you support ensuring there are full time workers in your community living in poverty? Do you think that benefits your community? Does that help stimulate demand for your business? Does that take pressure off you local government resources? Does that contribute tax revenue? Does that help children become constructive members of society? Does that help crime (I'm a inner city youth with little education looking to make money... work at fast food and not be able to support myself or sell drugs and make thousands in a week, tough choice)


Does the company make a profit off that labor? Does the company need that labor to meet demand? Is there demand for the company? There is no justification in the capitalistic system to for underpaying indemand labor.

And if a company is making profit off that labor, why then should the government have to step in and provide assistance to workers?

And the most important point, if these companies paid a wage in the past that allowed a family to meet the basic necessities, why should we allow that to change? Give me a reason why society should allow these companies to make more money off of their labor while that labor continually qualifies for government assistance.

And I would also like to see your response to this:



http://www.epi.org/publication/brief...s_min_wage_bp/


I'm glad you support further marginalizing the least powerfully among us in the society to protect the most powerfully among us in our society.
There is nothing trapping those people into their jobs but themselves. No, it's not OK to work at McDonald's for ten years as a register girl. It's sad actually. That's why it's important to fund and support mental health, and it's important to encourage people to get up off of their asses and make something of themselves. But, more importantly, it's a company's job to make money. Not support our population. That's why we have social programs. That's one of the reasons that we pay taxes. Taxes that companies pay too, by the way.


Again, Sparky: What you advocate is keeping people in shitty jobs and just paying them more without promoting any real individual growth. You advocate weakening the individual but you're just too stupid and too enamored of your own communist propaganda to see it. At least I assume that you're just too much of a myopic fool to see how badly your ideas screw people over. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you're a moron. I'd hate to think that someone would want to enslave their fellow man purposefully. That's just evil.
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This article explores and explains my belief about artificially raising wages. It's long and it takes up a lot of space so I put it in a spoiler tag. People, generally, need to be challenged in order to grow. They need to have a series of successes and failures. Start with little steps and work their way up. Everyone has their own timetable and everyone is in a different situation. In success you learn what works and what behavior to repeat. In failure you learn more about yourself, what not to do, and hopefully you learn that you can get back up and keep trying. Hopefully you learn not to fear failure.

That's not always true though. I've mentioned before that being stuck in a crappy job is more about mental health than ability. I've seen it myself. I worked in fast food for eight and a half years and I saw it daily. It's a form of depression. Enabling that depression by making it OK to stay right where they are doesn't help them.

Sure, there really are people who just can't do a job that is more demanding than a minimum wage job. Those people are few and far between. Creating and funding programs that help those people is one of the better uses of our tax dollars.

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Nope, just more of your bullshit. This is exactly what I am referring to about wanting to overpay workers. I get it, you always think that anyone who you perceive as wealthy is evil and "part of the problem" without holding anyone accountable for growth in their own lives. You want a nation of sheep, dependent on handouts from anyone with wealth. To each according to his need, from each according to his ability. With you on the sidelines determining both. Or if nothing else the government on the sidelines determining both. What you advocate is an authoritarian socialist state. You're a communist through and through. It's not a boogieman. It's not name calling. You simply are.

Keep strawmaning it up. You are pathitic. Wealthy as evil? lol.

I've explained my position a couple times now and I haven't never said anything about wealthy people. I talked about Earning a profit off of labor, but that has been it.

You really are a bore.

Having to resort to such common, overplayed arguments of der wealth evil


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You are basing your position on the belief that somehow the world owes you something. You're an entitled charlatan supporting a "soak the rich" mentality. I am advocating personal growth for individuals. Once again it's simple, Sparky. You seek to weaken people and make them dependent. I don't wish to cripple my fellow Americans in that way. I can only surmise that you seek a country of victims who share your entitled world view, perhaps thinking that they would be more likely to vote in the same way that you do. A nation of ideological slaves, content with what is essentially menial labor.
You support them being dependent on the government.

I support them working full time for their income.

Nothing you said makes any sense in light of those two facts.

Entitled. Yes, thinking a full time job should allow a a family of three to survive above the poverty line, just like 30 years ago is entitled.


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There is nothing trapping those people into their jobs but themselves. No, it's not OK to work at McDonald's for ten years as a register girl. It's sad actually. That's why it's important to fund and support mental health, and it's important to encourage people to get up off of their asses and make something of themselves. But, more importantly, it's a company's job to make money. Not support our population. That's why we have social programs. That's one of the reasons that we pay taxes. Taxes that companies pay too, by the way.


Again, Sparky: What you advocate is keeping people in shitty jobs and just paying them more without promoting any real individual growth. You advocate weakening the individual but you're just too stupid and too enamored of your own communist propaganda to see it. At least I assume that you're just too much of a myopic fool to see how badly your ideas screw people over. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you're a moron. I'd hate to think that someone would want to enslave their fellow man purposefully. That's just evil.

Jesus Christ is that a load of Derp. The minimum wage encourages people to stay poor?

Being paid below poverty wages for full time work is somehow strengthening the individual? Having to rely on the government just to support your family helps them to move up in society more than earning an income that does the same thing?

I mean, wow. You really out did your self this time.

Where to start... Jesus.

Well, I guess, its just one thing.

That is the whole point of the minimum wage.

To allow people on the bottom rung of society to have the economic freedom to better themselves. You can't do that if you can't afford food for your family. How easy is it to pay for a community college if you live pay check to pay check. Easy to invest time with your kids if your working two jobs at 30 hours a week just to make ends meet?

And only a few pieces of data needs to be shown:

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At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) ó a country famous for its class constraints.
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The causes of Americaís mobility problem are a topic of dispute ó starting with the debates over poverty. The United States maintains a thinner safety net than other rich countries, leaving more children vulnerable to debilitating hardships.

Poor Americans are also more likely than foreign peers to grow up with single mothers. That places them at an elevated risk of experiencing poverty and related problems, a point frequently made by Mr. Santorum, who surged into contention in the Iowa caucuses. The United States also has uniquely high incarceration rates, and a longer history of racial stratification than its peers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us...anted=all&_r=0


Oh, and the best one!

The Heritage foundation lists Australia as the number 3 freest county.

What guess what McD's pays their workers? 15$ an hour.

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So there's a certain irony that in Australia, where the minimum wage for full-time adult workers already comes out to about $14.50 an hour, McDonald's staffers were busy scoring an actual raise. On July 24, the country's Fair Work Commission approved a new labor agreement between the company and its employees guaranteeing them up to a 15 percent pay increase by 2017.

And here's the kicker: Many Australian McDonald's workers were already making more than the minimum to begin with.

The land down under is, of course, not the only high-wage country in the world where McDonald's does lucrative business. The company actually earns more revenue out of Europe than than it does from the United States. France, with its roughly $12.00 hourly minimum, has more than 1,200 locations. (Australia has about 900).
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...tralia/278313/


See, you get part of it right. Workers need to improve themselves.

Where you fail is thinking that when a someone makes the effort to improve themselves and goes and gets that job, and cannot then support their family without the government, where is the motivation? That is not supportive.

And you also look past the fact that people do move on, but the Job still requires the assistance.
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This article explores and explains my belief about artificially raising wages. It's long and it takes up a lot of space so I put it in a spoiler tag. People, generally, need to be challenged in order to grow. They need to have a series of successes and failures. Start with little steps and work their way up. Everyone has their own timetable and everyone is in a different situation. In success you learn what works and what behavior to repeat. In failure you learn more about yourself, what not to do, and hopefully you learn that you can get back up and keep trying. Hopefully you learn not to fear failure.

That's not always true though. I've mentioned before that being stuck in a crappy job is more about mental health than ability. I've seen it myself. I worked in fast food for eight and a half years and I saw it daily. It's a form of depression. Enabling that depression by making it OK to stay right where they are doesn't help them.

Sure, there really are people who just can't do a job that is more demanding than a minimum wage job. Those people are few and far between. Creating and funding programs that help those people is one of the better uses of our tax dollars.

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Sure, there really are people who just can't do a job that is more demanding than a minimum wage job. Those people are few and far between. Creating and funding programs that help those people is one of the better uses of our tax dollars.
I just want to respond to this in a personal manner, because this attitude is one of the few that will actually piss me off.

They are not few and far between. And no matter the number, if they work a full time job, they deserve the right the economic freedom of not having to depend on the government.

I tutor at a Writing Center at the local Community College. I meet this people every day.

I hear their stories like working 25 years at the Solo Cup plant making good middle class money, only for it to close. They have kids.

They work hard, they try, they want to improve themselves. And having to bring your kids to school with you because you can't afford a babysitter, a preschool.. Yea, I've tutored women who have a 2 year old next to them.

Some type at 5 words a minute, with one finger. Some have a great chance, some will be lucky to pass Math 050. Every other session is explaining how to do the basics in Word.

They have Families, they have dreams, they have a work ethic.

They work harder than I do. I bet a lot of them work harder than you do. They balance kids, multiply poverty leveling paying jobs and school.

And paying them below poverty wages in no way helps them improve themselves.
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You really are a bore.
I know, I know. It bores you to death to think. You poor guy. It's so much easier to wallow in your "soak the rich" mentality. All of your arguments boil down to one concept: To each according to need, from each according to ability. It's ok to admit that you're a communist. Run with it.
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I just want to respond to this in a personal manner, because this attitude is one of the few that will actually piss me off.

They are not few and far between. And no matter the number, if they work a full time job, they deserve the right the economic freedom of not having to depend on the government.

I tutor at a Writing Center at the local Community College. I meet this people every day.

I hear their stories like working 25 years at the Solo Cup plant making good middle class money, only for it to close. They have kids.

They work hard, they try, they want to improve themselves. And having to bring your kids to school with you because you can't afford a babysitter, a preschool.. Yea, I've tutored women who have a 2 year old next to them.

Some type at 5 words a minute, with one finger. Some have a great chance, some will be lucky to pass Math 050. Every other session is explaining how to do the basics in Word.

They have Families, they have dreams, they have a work ethic.

They work harder than I do. I bet a lot of them work harder than you do. They balance kids, multiply poverty leveling paying jobs and school.

And paying them below poverty wages in no way helps them improve themselves.
...and that's why we have social programs. And yes, they are few and far between. You need to get out more.
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I know, I know. It bores you to death to think. You poor guy. It's so much easier to wallow in your "soak the rich" mentality. All of your arguments boil down to one concept: To each according to need, from each according to ability. It's ok to admit that you're a communist. Run with it.
Sadly, his views are becoming quite popular among his loser generation. Polls show they dislike capitalism more than prior generations did at the same age, and blame "the rich" for our woes and not government incompetence.


We've raised a new generation that was told how wonderful they are and now that the world has flipped them the bird, they're angry and disillusioned.
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Sadly, his views are becoming quite popular among his loser generation. Polls show they dislike capitalism more than prior generations did at the same age, and blame "the rich" for our woes and not government incompetence.


We've raised a new generation that was told how wonderful they are and now that the world has flipped them the bird, they're angry and disillusioned.
Poor little snowflakes. No one will acknowledge how unique and wonderful they are.
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This article explores and explains my belief about artificially raising wages. It's long and it takes up a lot of space so I put it in a spoiler tag. People, generally, need to be challenged in order to grow. They need to have a series of successes and failures. Start with little steps and work their way up. Everyone has their own timetable and everyone is in a different situation. In success you learn what works and what behavior to repeat. In failure you learn more about yourself, what not to do, and hopefully you learn that you can get back up and keep trying. Hopefully you learn not to fear failure.

That's not always true though. I've mentioned before that being stuck in a crappy job is more about mental health than ability. I've seen it myself. I worked in fast food for eight and a half years and I saw it daily. It's a form of depression. Enabling that depression by making it OK to stay right where they are doesn't help them.

Sure, there really are people who just can't do a job that is more demanding than a minimum wage job. Those people are few and far between. Creating and funding programs that help those people is one of the better uses of our tax dollars.

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You and I feel pretty much the same way. As to the part I bolded, In my experience I have witnessed time and time again people enabled to do nothing to improve or change their lot in life or behaviors. A lot of times people need a good push to get them moving in the right direction.

This is where I think the failure lies. Government handouts are big enablers. IMHO there should be strings attached to any handout. Loneiguana wants to just shift the burden from the Government to the employer, many times a small business owner I.E. a McDonalds Franchise owner. In the end we're still going to be paying whether its in the form of taxes or the increased cost of goods.

I also believe that if the Govt quit enabling the people to suck on the Govt. Teat you would see how motivated they will become to do better.
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I just want to respond to this in a personal manner, because this attitude is one of the few that will actually piss me off.

They are not few and far between. And no matter the number, if they work a full time job, they deserve the right the economic freedom of not having to depend on the government.

I tutor at a Writing Center at the local Community College. I meet this people every day.

I hear their stories like working 25 years at the Solo Cup plant making good middle class money, only for it to close. They have kids.

They work hard, they try, they want to improve themselves. And having to bring your kids to school with you because you can't afford a babysitter, a preschool.. Yea, I've tutored women who have a 2 year old next to them.

Some type at 5 words a minute, with one finger. Some have a great chance, some will be lucky to pass Math 050. Every other session is explaining how to do the basics in Word.
They have Families, they have dreams, they have a work ethic.

They work harder than I do. I bet a lot of them work harder than you do. They balance kids, multiply poverty leveling paying jobs and school.

And paying them below poverty wages in no way helps them improve themselves.
What I would like to know is if this is a community college and your teaching people that only can type 5 words a minute and will be lucky to pass Math 050, WTF were they doing during Jr and Sr High School? IMHO that is the problem with folks stuck at minimum wage.
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